Crossing a picket line
#71
08-10-2008, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GMAN
You complain at how much these executives are paid but when you look at the size of their companies it doesn't seem so much. You seem so envious of their success. If you apply yourself and get a good education you can be successful.
Look at these guys still making millions while the shareholders are losing their shirts!!! The UAW has granted alot of concessions to the automakers in the last contract. Estimates are savings of $30 billion/year or around $2,000/vehicle. 
#72
08-10-2008, 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by GMAN
Lebron, not everyone who works for a living is a blue collar worker. Without the executives who run the companies there would be no company or job for the blue collar worker. When you get a little more life experience perhaps you will understand how things really work. You complain about the executives of these large companies having medical benefits but don't seem to mind the company paying the same benefits to the blue collar retiree's. These executives often work outside of the office. They do entertaining and traveling in behalf of the company. That is something the hourly workers don't have to deal with. They are not paid additional compensation for these extra hours. They are paid a flat salary. With your way of thinking, perhaps they should receive pay for entertaining clients, travel pay, etc., Oh, that is not the way you think. If the guy wears a tie then he isn't entitled to extra pay. Most executive compensation is tied to performance. They receive a salary and if they achieve their financial goals for the year then they receive a bonus. In most cases they don't receive their bonus unless they meet their objectives. I think ALL workers pay should be tied to their performance. These executives rarely work a 40 hour work week. Most sacrifice greatly for their positions and companies.
You complain at how much these executives are paid but when you look at the size of their companies it doesn't seem so much. You seem so envious of their success. If you apply yourself and get a good education you can be successful. Even if Mr. Waggoner was able to perform the superhuman feat of working 24/7/365 , that comes out to an hourly wage of $1,792.24 per hour. 15.7 million dollar per year compensation divided by 8760 hours in a year equals $1792.24 per hour. Now lets cut the hours worked to a more reasonable level, say 50 hours per week, now it comes out to 6038.47 per hour. 50 hrs per week = 2600 hrs per year. 15.7 million dollar per year compensation divided by 2600 hrs equals $6038.47 per hour. If the Union production worker is getting $30.00 per hour, then Mr. Waggoner's salary is over 200 times the union worker's salary.
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#73
08-10-2008, 10:07 PM
Originally Posted by LeBron James
Originally Posted by BigDiesel
Today's union worker....... What a joke..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
And people wonder why jobs are sent overseas.... Todays unions are doing a great job in holding companies hostage and helping to damage the economy.....
#74
08-10-2008, 10:21 PM
Do Not Cross A Picket Line!!!!!!!!!
My 2 cents....... I am union. Even though I do not agree with every union thing, its still wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#75
08-11-2008, 12:31 AM
Originally Posted by BigDiesel
Originally Posted by LeBron James
Originally Posted by BigDiesel
Today's union worker....... What a joke..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
And people wonder why jobs are sent overseas.... Todays unions are doing a great job in holding companies hostage and helping to damage the economy..... Sometimes when we're real busy I don't take a lunch break, and if I skip lunch I do get paid for working straight through. Next time I'm sweating my ass off in my coveralls on a hot summer day, I'll have to remind myself that I'm just a lazy union worker. :lol:
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#76
08-11-2008, 01:56 AM
Originally Posted by LeBron James
Originally Posted by GMAN
You complain at how much these executives are paid but when you look at the size of their companies it doesn't seem so much. You seem so envious of their success. If you apply yourself and get a good education you can be successful.
Look at these guys still making millions while the shareholders are losing their shirts!!! The UAW has granted alot of concessions to the automakers in the last contract. Estimates are savings of $30 billion/year or around $2,000/vehicle. I haven't looked at their financials, but the losses they reported may not be actual losses but could be write downs. It is all in the way you report the numbers. I agree that it is wrong for an executive to be rewarded for poor performance. Then again, we don't know what is stated in his contract and how his performance pay is based. A CEO of a company such as GM is responsible for many thousands of employees worldwide. A union worker is only responsible for himself. In fact, he really has no responsibilities when it comes down to it. All he has to do is show up for work.
#77
08-11-2008, 04:44 AM
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OK GMAN you better be sitting down cause as a former steel hauler myself I'm gonna agree with you on the union steel mills and auto plants. :lol:
I was amazed at the inefficiency. It wasnt just the workers at the large mills and auto plants, everyone was fat and happy back in their heyday, including white collar management. It was a prima donna attitude throughout the industry. Until the foriegn competition showed up. And you cant stereotype all unions. The guys who drive the little brown trucks at UPS work their balls off and they're teamsters. But, when I was hauling steel I've also had to wait plenty at non union shops too. But not because someone was reading the newspaper when I showed up early and on the wrong shift! :lol:
#78
08-11-2008, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jonp
As for being young and idealistic, I also dont think thats a bad thing. All of us have been there. I've been in the seat for 16 years now and am about to hit my 44th birthday in a few weeks. I'm not against unions its just that I'm not high on them and have been in far too many plants and loading docks sitting for 4-6hrs watching the union guys screw around that I have become jaded. .
#79
08-11-2008, 11:59 AM
Originally Posted by Snowman7
OK GMAN you better be sitting down cause as a former steel hauler myself I'm gonna agree with you on the union steel mills and auto plants. :lol:
I was amazed at the inefficiency. It wasnt just the workers at the large mills and auto plants, everyone was fat and happy back in their heyday, including white collar management. It was a prima donna attitude throughout the industry. Until the foriegn competition showed up. And you cant stereotype all unions. The guys who drive the little brown trucks at UPS work their balls off and they're teamsters. But, when I was hauling steel I've also had to wait plenty at non union shops too. But not because someone was reading the newspaper when I showed up early and on the wrong shift! :lol: You've got to warn me when you are going to agree with me, Snowman. I don't think my heart can take it. :lol: I can always tell when I am in a union shop before anyone says a thing. You see a lot of people sitting or standing around doing nothing. And when they see you they just continue sitting or standing around doing nothing until the mood strikes them. I will agree with you about the UPS drivers. They work their buns off.
#80
08-11-2008, 06:21 PM
I remember delivering to a US postal office a few weeks ago. Told me to back in dock 8. Backed in, went inside, and I was waiting for someone to unload me. I was informed by an employee that I had to unload. I told him that was actually against immigration laws, as I'm Canadian, I cannot unload product past the back of my trailer. He stated and I quote "it's in their contract". I asked him since when did contract law supersede federal immigration law? He shrugged.
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