Driver Trainers and the $$$$
#41
02-24-2007, 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by homer
your wrong, their going to remain profitable despite your lack of experience. your going trucking and your gonna be driving at all hours of the day and night in all conditions. your gona deal with all kind of drivers and shippers and receivers. your gonna be dirty and tired and your gonna drive some more.
Never mind i spend on the road more years, than you actually live!  :P
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#42
02-24-2007, 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by kips41
1.Never said that one person would do all the driving. I know you didn't that is the whole basis of the debate. What you are defining here is "team" driving. 2.You can spend time with a trainee and run miles , it's called time mangement. Again, you are talking about team driving. IMO, what you are describing here is anything but time management. Actually I would see it more as a way to get around time management. My questions was how do you manage that sort of miles, etc. while both the trainer & trainee are operating on the same 14 hour clock? The fact is you can't. I don't care how good your time management skills are. 3.Sorry you think that these men and woman are children. I don't believe they are children, never even insinuated that. What I do believe is that they are drivers in need of training. It only makes sense to me that the trainer be involved in the training of the trainee regardless of the industry. 4.You are in the bunk and it's like 2 feet to the drivers seat if you can't see what someone is doing please have your eyes checked, never said that I was sleeping. So, why are you in the bunk? Let me guess your just sitting in the bunk directly behind the driver looking over their shoulder because you get a better view from there? That sounds much more logical to me than actually sitting in the passenger seat where you are supposed to be. Even if you're not sleeping, how can you "watch something on TV" and watch the driver at the same time? 5.Let's see if they can find fuel stops, plan routes, find shippers and receivers and one of my favorites is go into a truckstop in the middle of the day pull onto the fuel island and tell them to go park the truck and see if they go try to park between two big ole Petes or go down a few more spaces and park in an easy pull thru. Hopefully, they will receive some training on route and fuel stop planning before they ever go out with a trainer. They will continue to receive this training as they are out with him also. Ideally, the trainee will plan the route, write it down or describe it to the trainer who will then critique it and tell him where he was right or wrong and so on. What I don't understand is why you can't do this while sitting in the passenger seat rather than the bunk? Now all this does not happen the first day on the truck, but as they go they get a little more put on them and the last couple of weeks they should be able to run the show so to speak , with a review at the end of the day. I agree with this whole-heartedly. Let them run the show as if they are solo. Do it from the seat rather than the bunk and have your eyes open during the process otherwise it's difficult to review what you didn't see. I want to see what a person is THINKING, those that think thru what they are doing are less likely to put themselves in a bind. You guys think that these folks have to be perfect shifters, backers. What they have to do is realize that they are not perfect and get out and look while backing and not depend on some idiot trainer standing in front of the truck waving his arms like a mad man.......you guys have seen this in the truckstops and know what I am talking about. Yes, I have seen what you are talking about and I don't think that 20 year vets are perfect at this let alone someone who just got out of a trainer's truck. The general idea is that they will progressively get better throughout their training and continue to progress throughout their career.
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#43
02-24-2007, 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by homer
so your gonna be with that trainer 24/7 for six weeks and he cant take his eyes off you and get a couple hours sleep?
your wrong, their going to remain profitable despite your lack of experience. your going trucking and your gonna be driving at all hours of the day and night in all conditions. your gona deal with all kind of drivers and shippers and receivers. your gonna be dirty and tired and your gonna drive some more. you better just think about keeping it on the road and getting qualified.
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#44
02-24-2007, 02:04 PM
I pity the "trainer" who sits in the bunk for 8 hours "keeping an eye on the driver", and then has to get behind the wheel.
Oh wait - that doesn't really happen. The trainer isn't watching the driver at all, contrary to what some here would have us believe.
#45
02-24-2007, 02:59 PM
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Team-training, what a joke. The trainee gets like $50.00 bucks a day to pump team miles while the so-called "trainer" with 6-months experience is kicked back in the sleeper playing Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City on his PSP. :roll:
It should be illegal for a carrier to dispatch a training truck as a team. The trainer should have at least 2 years experience and be required to ride shotgun at all times the newb is driving.
#46
02-24-2007, 03:44 PM
My question here is...How many Carriers "REQUIRE" the trainer to operate that truck as a "Team Operation"??
As far as training another driver, if once you are loaded, the trip is going to be cross-country, say 2300 miles, I personally would have the trainee drive for his/her available time (10 hours in my view is plenty of time behind the wheel..stop's included), then I would drive the remainder of what is available to me...say 4 hours. That way..I would have plenty of opportunity to "train", plus use that extra 4 hours to make that many more miles each day. The same could be done with say an 900 mile run. it wouldn't be a "team operation" but that extra 4 hours could mean some extra miles at the end of the week. :rock:
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#47
02-24-2007, 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by ColdFrostyMug
Team-training, what a joke. The trainee gets like $50.00 bucks a day to pump team miles while the so-called "trainer" with 6-months experience is kicked back in the sleeper playing Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City on his PSP. :roll:
It should be illegal for a carrier to dispatch a training truck as a team. The trainer should have at least 2 years experience and be required to ride shotgun at all times the newb is driving. I am more a fan of Halo on Xbox360. Really need high speed internet while the truck is moving b/c it is so much more fun playing it on Xbox 360live. From reading it is apparent that most have never trained. You forget that the purpose of the training is to get a person to where they can operate as a solo. Some are quicker than others. But if you think that sitting and watching every mile they drive for six weeks is training you either don't have the patience or the nerve to let someone else drive that 80k missle. Now, while a new driver will not be as smooth as an experienced driver they will damn sure know better than to slow down to 35 mph and cut across 3 lanes to take an exit on I-81. This happened just recently to me from a company that is much talked about on this board and hires mostly experienced drivers. The air horn and the finger just does not do justice here!!!! Part of the training is letting them miss an exit or a turn / road and learn how to not PANICK and do something stupid like try and turn a 70 foot rig around in a 25 foot parking lot. Ya know you seen this kinda stuff if you have been out here any time at all and wonder what the hell was he THINKING. Going down I-40 in New Mexico is the easy, teaching them all the other stuff is the hard part. If your company has a training program, you should try being a trainer, then you will learn how good you really are, not how good you think you are.
#48
02-24-2007, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kips41
Originally Posted by ColdFrostyMug
Team-training, what a joke. The trainee gets like $50.00 bucks a day to pump team miles while the so-called "trainer" with 6-months experience is kicked back in the sleeper playing Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City on his PSP. :roll:
It should be illegal for a carrier to dispatch a training truck as a team. The trainer should have at least 2 years experience and be required to ride shotgun at all times the newb is driving. I am more a fan of Halo on Xbox360. Really need high speed internet while the truck is moving b/c it is so much more fun playing it on Xbox 360live. From reading it is apparent that most have never trained. You forget that the purpose of the training is to get a person to where they can operate as a solo. Some are quicker than others. But if you think that sitting and watching every mile they drive for six weeks is training you either don't have the patience or the nerve to let someone else drive that 80k missle. Now, while a new driver will not be as smooth as an experienced driver they will damn sure know better than to slow down to 35 mph and cut across 3 lanes to take an exit on I-81. This happened just recently to me from a company that is much talked about on this board and hires mostly experienced drivers. The air horn and the finger just does not do justice here!!!! Part of the training is letting them miss an exit or a turn / road and learn how to not PANICK and do something stupid like try and turn a 70 foot rig around in a 25 foot parking lot. Ya know you seen this kinda stuff if you have been out here any time at all and wonder what the hell was he THINKING. Going down I-40 in New Mexico is the easy, teaching them all the other stuff is the hard part. If your company has a training program, you should try being a trainer, then you will learn how good you really are, not how good you think you are. I can't believe you are so adamant about defending this type of training practice. Your logic just doesn't add up. Training should be just that, training. That means one on one instruction. As for 6 weeks of "training". That can be easily reduced to 3 to 4 weeks with the correct type of training. That is, trainee driving and trainer logging line 4 on duty not driving. When the trainer is out of hours for the day the truck stops and both go to sleep. BTW, I know of at least one company that bases their whole training module on this type of training and they seem to be successful. They get it. :shock:
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#49
02-24-2007, 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
I personally would have the trainee drive for his/her available time (10 hours in my view is plenty of time behind the wheel..stop's included), then I would drive the remainder of what is available to me...say 4 hours.
But that should be an "option", not "requirement"! 8)
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#50
02-24-2007, 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by solo379
Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
I personally would have the trainee drive for his/her available time (10 hours in my view is plenty of time behind the wheel..stop's included), then I would drive the remainder of what is available to me...say 4 hours.
But that should be an "option", not "requirement"! 8) As for sleeping accomodations go...that there "Trainee" better understand the concept of T/S showers and better be a good climber...cuz I'm not sharing that lower bunk....with one or two exceptions.
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