[quote="GMAN"]
Gman
I have to say Lebron is right . Big companies are checking the turn overate and if they are not high enough they know they are paying drivers to much money and if the the turn overate gets too high they give a better pay package.

 

I am glad that you were able to get a decent local job. I don't recall ever having said that someone cannot get a local driving job without having a year otr. There have been some on this board who have mentioned that they were not able to get a local job without otr experience. Frankly, I think driving schools are over rated. Most of the major carriers will require some sort of experience or school. The reason most carriers either require experience or school is insurance. It is difficult to cover an inexperienced driver.

 

+1

Although I started 35 years ago.

 

I would be interested in knowing where you get your information about carriers wanting to have high turnover. It doesn't even make sense. I certainly don't want to have a high turnover in my business. I know executives with a couple of the large carriers. We have discussed turnover and I can tell you that they don't want a high turnover. You have no idea of the costs of employee turnover. It is much less costly to retain current drivers than absorb the costs of recruitment. All any carrier wants is for their drivers to do their jobs in a professional manner and take care of the equipment assigned to them. That isn't a lot to ask. If you want higher pay, then stick with a company more than a few months. Longevity pays off with most companies.

 

[quote="GMAN"]

[b]Great question. Your right they don't want a high turn over rate, in fact they want no turn over rate at all. They would like to pay there drivers nothing at all.
That's why you see the sign on trailors we are all way hiring.

I am quiting trucking at the end of the week. Money is the reason. With the turn overate lowering in the last year I will not be getting much of a raise. Why pay a trucker more money when there is lots of trainers and students to take my place for the same rate or lower.

 

It's because that's an actual shortage of experienced engineers in this country. To be an engineer, you need 4 years of college where you have to take all kinds of difficult math courses. Then you need experience in the particular field you're in.

15 years ago, my buddy graduated from engineering school and started at $47k. Now you're hiring guys at $80k out of college...which means the pay went up $33,000 in that time or 170%...which far exceeds the rate of inflation. It's because the shortage forced companies to raise wages in order to bid on the services of engineers.

Have OTR wages and rates gone up 170% in that time? No, it's because there's no shortage in OTR trucking...anyone can do it. It's an unskilled job where a two-week training course will get you behind the wheel. And you don't even have to pay, the carriers will train you for free.

In OTR, there's simply a lack of people willing to put up with the BS, long hours on the job, and time away from home for what the job pays.

 

Anything for my Buckeye neighbors! :wink:

You know it Tom! Efficiency is the only thing that we need to be speaking of on this board. All else is superfluous.

That is an interesting question about UPS and a truckload of widgets. Believe it or not, my knowledge of UPS operations is pretty much limited to my admiration of their efficiency, and my lifelong appreciation as a household customer.

If they do offer truckload service. I too would be interested to know how the rates would compare to OTR carriers. A couple of things that we can be relatively assured of up front if handled by UPS; The widgets won't be moved by unfortunates that have been forced to hobo around a truckstop for X amount of time for free. And, that the drivers involved will be fairly compensated for their efforts etc., etc. :wink: Maybe one of the Buster Brown drivers will jump in and let us know?

Regarding the oracle mantle. Thanks, Tom! :wink: I think that you have done an excellent job with the oracle mantle under your tutelage. Putting it back in my capable hands for a while can only serve to heighten the prestige one will feel while carrying such a delightful burden. The "all knowing oracle" is indeed, alive and well. :lol: :P

I showed my two teenage daughters the thread that was responsible for the birth of the "all knowing oracle," Tom. After they were able to stop laughing. They wanted me to let you know that you are "spot on," and they couldn't have come up with a better one themselves. :lol:

I thought you might enjoy hearing that Tom! :P

Signed,
"all knowing oracle"

 

Let me tell you about UPS efficiency. Several years ago I sent a cashiers check for $1,800 to a vendor by UPS. It was hand delivered to our local UPS office. It was sent over night. Several days later it had still not been received. I received a call from a real estate office who found MY envelope in their parking lot. Their office was about 4 miles from my office. There were a number of UPS executives who looked into this and none could explain to me how my envelope and cashiers check could have gotten from THEIR facility to the parking lot of the real estate office. The real estate people almost threw it away. Fortunately, it still had my name and telephone number on the label. The envelope looked as though someone had burned rubber on it. Yep, that is some efficiency. :roll:

 

Yeah well I bet my dog can beat up your dog!

 

heheheh..... I did enjoy that...glad to be of help!