What happened to “You've made your case. We'll move on from here. “ :roll:
Your further attempts to provoke and belittling behavior prove only my point.

Playing the victim now…that’s how you wanna play this? I spoke up knowing exactly what I was doing. You wish to cry about personal attacks when in this same thread you called other members names?,,,and in the same day, you started a thread aim specifically at provoking Golfhobo?…not to mention the disrespectful posts you made on his thread in which you mocked?

This is not about offering difference of opinion. It is about your disrespectful behavior. You don’t have to specifically attack me. I belong to this message board, and view it as a community.

Different views are a good thing, and I often find my own views change with other members input. This insulting, disrespectful, and belittling troll posting, I believe any message board would gladly sacrifice, regardless of the diversity.

Thanks for at least admitting I was right about you. The name fits. I wouldn’t have said it, if I felt it was merely a wild accusation.

 

We'll move on from here on different terms is the meaning. Victim my ass. Furthest thing from my mind.

Your depiction of my so-called disrespectful activity is exactly that.

What you find to be insulting, disrespectful, and belittling troll posting are only my opinions. Of which I have ALWAYS, without exception, always respected of anyone. With the exception of those who have personally taken exception and have chosen to debate on a more personal level. Is the fact that my opinion is so different from yours make me disrespectful or a troll. I don't think so.

What exactly do you consider disrespectful behaviour? If your example is going to include golfhobo, don't waste our time. Show me other instances that YOU feel are disrespectful, and see if I feel that it is simply not a difference of opinion.

No, my last remark was not meant to incite you. I was going back and forth with Rebel and just threw it in. That said. Your ball.

 

Typically trolls need to be fed this sort of attention, until the thread gets locked. I made my point. I stand by it 100%. It's a good tactic, but, what will hurt the troll most is to simply ignore them. I won't be "playing" your game belpre.

 

No game at all RH. I respect and appreciate your point 100% as I have always done, without exception, without question.

Let's move on.

 

Mine does if it's over 20 miles. 8)

 

Lebron: I want to commend you for your post, and the lack of insults against those of us who are OTR. However, I'm not sure I agree with this first paragraph, or your interpretation of the facts.

57 is quite an advanced age for a "median" in any workforce or environment. The fact that so many OTR drivers are still happily driving OTR at this age and well beyond, to me, shows that the life is not so stressful, and can easily be done by one who is rapidly approaching retirement age.

Look at the median age in a factory. Sure, there are many there who've been there all their lives and are going to retire there. But, in my experience, the majority of the workforce there is MUCH younger than 57.

In fact, I've read where the "average" age of a truck driver in general is about 57, so you are saying that that stat holds true for OTR drivers as well as locals. If local driving was that much easier, and OTR that much more stressful, the average TRUCKER might be 57, but the average OTR driver would be much YOUNGER.

I might go so far as to suggest that, there are MORE younger drivers doing local work so they can be home with growing families, and because they don't mind the often backbreaking work. Whereas, many drivers who's children are grown and gone and who no longer WANT to work so hard, may be content to take long drives across country and just sit in the cab while someone unloads them.

Just some thoughts. Not based on any research or anything.

Hobo

 

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It is indisputable that trucking is the most important link in the chain that drives our economy.

I can't understand for the life of me why the same voices, over and over, continue to preach the OTR link needs to be offered up at a discount in order for the system to work. Every other link in the chain gets paid full time, at least, and for all time. Yet, somehow, in order for the system to work and be fair to everyone, OTR Drivers need to be paid at a discount.

There isn't one of you who can't see just how valuable your contribution is and yet, at the same time you insist you aren't worth full price or that more pay wouldn't be in your best interest.

I've said it a hundred times already and I'm going to say it again. Freight rates, THE PAYCHECK, for everyone is depressed when every OTR carrier is able to hang their gross inefficiencies on the backs of their Drivers. Trust me. If your carrier had to pay you for sitting, you'd be doing a lot less of it.

Please, don't give me the crap about "driving carriers out of business". Business' fail all the time and it isn't often a result of paying their employees fairly.

 

I've notice since I've been a member here, a lot of people coming from other professions into Trucking, after a long career elsewhere. Some local jobs won't even consider you, unless you have recent OTR experience. So, I think lots of people work OTR until they can hopefully get something Local. That was my intent, when I started out.

I came from 30 years of Construction, and 40 years of Volunteer Fire & Rescue. I burned out as anyone who spends 20 or more years in a job will complain. But I also had a harder time physically managing the work. Believe it or not, Trucking is a cake walk physically, in comparison, to what I use to do.

The OP (Evinrude) said how he came from 20 years in a Papermill. Trucking is a good 2nd career for me. I started at age 49, and my age was a plus. Even today at 56, I am regarded favorably for my age in Trucking, when I see many of my peers have work discrimination due to their age, and find themselves competing for work against younger prospectives, in many other professions.

 

Well, I wouldn't argue with getting paid more for OTR work. Less work and more pay, knock me over with a feather. I can tell you this much...in the area I live, I could work in Construction and make $700 a week. Or I could drive an OTR Truck and make twice that. (on average)

Now maybe that income is beans for some City dwellers, but not for where I live. My property taxes alone are $8500 a year. We pay more for food and gas than city dwellers do and pay comparable in most other cases ...and we work just as hard yet make less money.

I'd love to see the rates on the self rise, if it means more OTR money. I'm already use to paying a lot more for everything. But, the system will put that money everywhere but in the pocket of the one who earns it the hardest.