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#11

07-03-2007, 08:47 PM

Uturn2001

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Originally Posted by married to the road

You drive a ford f-650, what do you do, stay in hotels? and how long are you gone? Overnite, a couple of days, or more? You log up to 70 hours in any combination of line 3 and 4 (in 8 days), then you cannot drive again until you have a 34 hour break. as far as fuel, I always log 15 min. on line 4-on duty, not driving when getting fuel. No matter if it is not very busy and I can get done fueling in 5 min, or if it is so busy it takes me 15 min waiting in line, then 5 min to pump the fuel, then another 10 min to get the reciept. As far as getting something to eat, I always put that on line 1, off duty. hope this helps.

Sorry, your information is not totally accurate.

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then you cannot drive again until you have a 34 hour break.

The 34 hour reset is an option. It is not a requirement. You can still gain hours back the "old" way by letting them drop off on the 9th day back.

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When i fuel or stop and eat is that considered off duty or on duty not driving?

Any work that you do, including fueling the work vehicle, is On duty.

Eating and other breaks may be taken as Off Duty if you have been relieved for all responsibility for the load and the vehicle by the owner of the equipment/load. You will need to have this in writing in order to log it off duty.

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#12

07-04-2007, 01:24 AM

Skywalker

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One thing that no-one has mentioned is this:

If the vehicle he is driving is not "heavy" enough....and I think its 26001 lb GVWR to make the cut..... he doesn't need a log book, and can pretty much do as he pleases....UNLESS he is transporting hazmat.

I don't have a copy of the FMCSR's with me...I'm in a motel at present, so if I'm wrong, please correct me. But I'm thinking that a Ford 650 isn't heavy enough.... :?

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#13

07-04-2007, 02:33 AM

Uturn2001

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It is 10,001 lbs, and you basically have to look in several places to figure it out.

390.5

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Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle—

(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or

(2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or

(3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or

(4) Is used in transporting material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secretary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C.

In the guidance for 395.1

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Question 1: What hours-of-service regulations apply to drivers operating between the United States and Mexico or between the United States and Canada?

Guidance: When operating CMVs, as defined in §390.5, in the United States, all hours-of-service provisions apply to all drivers of CMVs, regardless of nationality, point of origin, or where the driving time or on-duty time was accrued.

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#14

07-05-2007, 01:46 AM

kcfalcon

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Uturn you must get back in the drivers seat!
You have way to much time on your hands, and are getting way to smart to ever become a driver agian.
Hope all is well, you do give good advice on here.
I will tell them to leave a light on at the terminal for you.

#15

07-05-2007, 06:17 PM

BORN2DRIVE

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This may seem like a dumb question but, I'm gonna ask it anyway. Is the 24 hr. period from 12 AM to 12 AM or from when you started driving until that time the next day according to the HOS rules? In other words if I started driving at 2 PM and drove until 12 AM then I was off duty for 14 hrs. that day. So, will I still need a 10 hr. break before I can start driving on the next day? Thanks for any help you can give me.

#16

07-05-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BORN2DRIVE

Great question! but NO! The 14 hours starts whenever you go to work following the 10 hour break. So if you go to work at 7:00 AM, logically you can DRIVE for 11 hours and work and drive within the next 14 hours. If you work and drive 8 hours and take a ten hour break, the 14 hours begins again. This really sounds confusing, but its really not. After the ten hour break you get to work and drive, when the 14 hours is up you may no longer DRIVE. The 24 hour period is just that.. a 24 hour period, it has no bearing on when you actually work.

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07-05-2007, 06:47 PM

BORN2DRIVE

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Thanks alot fozzy. That was a big help. But, let me get it straight. If I drive 11 hrs. then I have to take a 10 hr. break regardless of the time frame. Right?

#18

07-05-2007, 07:00 PM

Popeye

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Correct you must take the break before you can drive again.[/u][/i][/b]

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07-05-2007, 09:44 PM

Fozzy

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Originally Posted by BORN2DRIVE

Thanks alot fozzy. That was a big help. But, let me get it straight. If I drive 11 hrs. then I have to take a 10 hr. break regardless of the time frame. Right?

YES! The most important thing to learn is that Hours of Service are about access to the steering wheel. Unless you get the proper break in , you cannot drive. For example, if you are sitting somewhere on duty on a dock somewhere and work for 12 hours, you can drive a whopping 2 hours and you are finished driving for the day. When you get in the proper break of ten hours, you now have a fresh start of 14 hours with eleven to drive. The 14 hours can be a little confusing also, if you hop up in the morning and drive eleven hours straight, your driving day is over in eleven hours, you'd still be able to WORK just not able to drive until you get a full break in.

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07-06-2007, 12:30 AM

Skywalker

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Originally Posted by Fozzy

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Originally Posted by BORN2DRIVE

Thanks alot fozzy. That was a big help. But, let me get it straight. If I drive 11 hrs. then I have to take a 10 hr. break regardless of the time frame. Right?

And, if you drive 11 hours, and have the three left on your 14.....but you choose to start your ten hour break....you can, and as soon as you complete the 10 hour off/sleeper break, you have reset your 11/14 clocks and can drive 11 hours again and have 14 hours again. Its easier to work with than you might think....it just takes a little getting used to and being able to think an calculate it forward so you don't make a mistake and end up in violation.