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#31
01-21-2008, 07:58 PM
Hey There, Don't get me wrong. I am not at all "P"ed at you at all. I appreciate the help. Just want to inform you of my goals. That sounds like good money. but there is more to life than money. True that money makes the world go around, but I would rather do something I like and make enough to live on and pay my bills than to do something I am miserable doing and make alot of money.
I tried to PM you with my contact info but it will not allow me to do that. I could email you the info or you could drop me an email at brown7477 (at) gmail (dot) com I may go ahead and give this a shot for a year and see how I like it. Never know. this might be my calling.
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#32
01-21-2008, 08:04 PM
Don't go attacking me. My point to brownie was that O&G drilling is rampant with drug abuse. My point is valid - you agreed with me!
Apparently, my not so subtle dig pushed the envelope. The reality is, I have no problems with you, me, or anyone else. But, I do know when to wear boots. Good luck.
Originally Posted by Useless
Originally Posted by mbadriver
If you have even the slightest propensity to do drugs, then stay away from oil/gas drilling. Drugs and alcohol are rampant at the site and the flea bag motels. Be true to yourself on this one. Your co-workers will be boozing and bar hopping when not on duty. Snort a few lines and then head back to the rig. Chances are 3 or 4 of you will be sharing a room (stretch the per diem). Are you going to sit there reading scripture while the roomies are ^hore hopping, boozin, and snorting? They don't have drug problems at Useless Oil & Gas. All Choir Boys with Q Clearances :wink: Truckers crack me up :lol:
Originally Posted by mbadriver
Originally Posted by Useless
In the mean time, the oil & gas drilling industry is booming!! The gas drilling industry is going to remain hot for at least the next 20 yrs, (that, BTW, is a conservative estimate!!) especially as the sky-rocketting prices of home heating oil are now at levels that make replacing old oil burning furnaces with gas/propane systems more economically feasible. As China's demands for crude oil continue to rise, the technology is going to shift more and more toward natural gas, which is both plentiful and domesticly available. Many drilling companies are far less concerned about your past than they are about your willingness to stay clean, (drug free & sober!) reliability, and willingness to put in an honest day's work, and many are willing to train someone who is willing to start at the bottom, listen, learn, follow directions, keep a lid on the complaining, and show up for work on time. If you have experience in the construction industry, or in other industries and have been doing heavy manual labor, that will serve as a big plus for you. BTW, many drilling companies tend to pay well, and offer good benefits. Those that don't can at least provide a stepping stone to better companies! With the 15+ ticket, you are essentially locked out of the trucking industry for now. My suggestion?? Cut the excuses and attempts to marginalize, and start looking in other areas. Good Luck!!
Originally Posted by Useless
BTW: Have you been released from parole/probation?? Are you free to travel?? mbadriver: Do you have anything of any value to contribute here?? I'll be the first to agree with you that if someone has any propensity towards drug use, then the oil fields are not where they should be. Drilling is dangerous work, and one person's mistake or miscalculation can result in ithers being hurt or killed. As I indicated in my post to Brown7477, there IS a problem with drug use by drilling crews, although contrary to what you are suggesting, the problem is not so much use on the drill site, (many drilling companies provide on-site housing for their crewa) but rather use by drilling crew workers are returning from their days off. Providing on-site housing accomodations for rig crew members not only saves the drill crew workers money, it also dramatically reduces the use of drugs and excess alcholol consumption by rig crewmwmbers while they are on their 7 day shift. Brown7477 says that his days of drug involvement are in the past. I'm willing to offer that benefit of doubt and offer help where I am able to, but it will still be his responsibility to keep himself clean. As far as "truckers" cracking you up, had you read my posts with comprehension, you would have discovered that I no longer drive a truck. I'm not sure what your problem with me or the rest of the world is, but you really need help. I'm trying to help someone. What are your motivations here?? The huge chip on your shoulder, combined with your writing style reminds me of another cowardly jerk who callled himself "crete-drver"; after being banned, he came back as "prodigyll" he didn't last long here under that sub-human persona either!! hmmmmmmmm!!..... any realtion, I wonder??
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#33
01-21-2008, 08:42 PM
Nope no relation, But I appreciate the constructive criticism. Sorry if you feel I was attacking you. I wasn't doing it intentionally. Just have had a few people reply that think they live in glass houses and can do know wrong and label us ex-felons as sub-human. I have worked my rear off. But I also made a few bad judgment calls and mistakes and do not to be treated as less than human. As far as the drilling industry. I have been in construction for 20+ years and the same goes there for the drug use and such. I have no problems staying away from it and I do not have any "itches" to use anything at all. Hard to believe, but jail had an ever lasting effect on me. 1 time is enough for me. Sure everyone likes to have a good time and that is what I thought I was doing at the time. But I have a new perspective on that now. It is not fun. It is stupid.
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#34
01-21-2008, 08:59 PM
I think you'll find that a lot of people believe in second chances. But second chances from drug convictions? Not in this industry. This, here, is your biggest issue and pretty nearly insurmountable in the trucking industry. No company is willing to be a blank check on a driver with a drug past.
The 15+ over isn't so bad, if that's the only thing on your MVR. A 15+ is a major moving violation and not an automatic careless, though some companies may view it as such. Most simply look at it as a major moving violation and most companies would be able to work with 1 major in the last 5 years. If you've been getting turned down on the MVR, I would hazard a guess that there's more than just the 15+ on it.
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#35
01-21-2008, 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
I think you'll find that a lot of people believe in second chances. But second chances from drug convictions? Not in this industry. This, here, is your biggest issue and pretty nearly insurmountable in the trucking industry. No company is willing to be a blank check on a driver with a drug past.
The 15+ over isn't so bad, if that's the only thing on your MVR. A 15+ is a major moving violation and not an automatic careless, though some companies may view it as such. Most simply look at it as a major moving violation and most companies would be able to work with 1 major in the last 5 years. If you've been getting turned down on the MVR, I would hazard a guess that there's more than just the 15+ on it.
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#36
01-21-2008, 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by brown7477
Nope no relation, But I appreciate the constructive criticism. Sorry if you feel I was attacking you. I wasn't doing it intentionally.
I wasn't suggesting that the realtion existed where you are concerned; it's "mbadriver" whose writing style and perpetual anger with the world bear a resemblance to those other ex-members of CAD. At this point. I can't say he is a reincarnated persona, it's just that there are very similar tones to his writing style, patterns, and replies. I do wish you well. If driving is something that you are really bent on doing, then that is your decision, and I'll respect it. You do need to understand that geting into driving is going to have to be a long term goal at this point, and in truth, that 15+ ticket may be even more problematic for you than your criminal record. The fact that you have yet not been released from supervision also poses it's own set of problems. I'm thinking in terms of you present situation.....the problems that you are facing today, here, and now. The problems in the real estate mortgage industry is already serious, and it is nowhere near as bad as it's going to get in the days to come. The problem is not limited to the sub-prime market, or people who took out ARM's. Because lenders have already had to write off billions upon billions of dollars in forclosure losses (and this is just the beginning!) the over-all credit markets are going to tighten; there simply is not as much money to loan out, and many prople are going to be locked out of the credit markets in the years to come. The economic "growth" that we have seen in the past five years has largely been fueled by easy credit. The secondaty mortgage industry is now bweing crippled by the fact that so many people have used their home equity as a piggy bank, financing everything from college tuition for their children to extravagent weddings and dream vacations. Consequetly, the home construction industry is in the beginning stages of some very difficult times, and those economic woes are already bleeding into the commercial real estate and development markets as well. Your problem with income is immediate. In your particular case, driving may be a goal, but as a short term goal or as an immediate remedyto the problem that is confronting you right now, I'm afraid that your sense of frustration will only grow due to the lack of viability of your immediate game plan. In any event, I do wish you well. You do strike me as someone who has learned from his past mistakes. Peace Out!!
#37
01-21-2008, 09:20 PM
Thanks For the Positive.
Nice to see someone has compassion for others.
Originally Posted by Useless
Originally Posted by brown7477
Nope no relation, But I appreciate the constructive criticism. Sorry if you feel I was attacking you. I wasn't doing it intentionally.
I wasn't suggesting that the realtion existed where you are concerned; it's "mbadriver" whose writing style and perpetual anger with the world bear a resemblance to those other ex-members of CAD. At this point. I can't say he is a reincarnated persona, it's just that there are very similar tones to his writing style, patterns, and replies. I do wish you well. If driving is something that you are really bent on doing, then that is your decision, and I'll respect it. You do need to understand that geting into driving is going to have to be a long term goal at this point, and in truth, that 15+ ticket may be even more problematic for you than your criminal record. The fact that you have yet not been released from supervision also poses it's own set of problems. I'm thinking in terms of you present situation.....the problems that you are facing today, here, and now. The problems in the real estate mortgage industry is already serious, and it is nowhere near as bad as it's going to get in the days to come. The problem is not limited to the sub-prime market, or people who took out ARM's. Because lenders have already had to write off billions upon billions of dollars in forclosure losses (and this is just the beginning!) the over-all credit markets are going to tighten; there simply is not as much money to loan out, and many prople are going to be locked out of the credit markets in the years to come. The economic "growth" that we have seen in the past five years has largely been fueled by easy credit. The secondaty mortgage industry is now bweing crippled by the fact that so many people have used their home equity as a piggy bank, financing everything from college tuition for their children to extravagent weddings and dream vacations. Consequetly, the home construction industry is in the beginning stages of some very difficult times, and those economic woes are already bleeding into the commercial real estate and development markets as well. Your problem with income is immediate. In your particular case, driving may be a goal, but as a short term goal or as an immediate remedyto the problem that is confronting you right now, I'm afraid that your sense of frustration will only grow due to the lack of viability of your immediate game plan. In any event, I do wish you well. You do strike me as someone who has learned from his past mistakes. Peace Out!!
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#38
01-21-2008, 09:37 PM
Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
If you 've been getting turned down on the MVR, I would hazard a guess that there's more than just the 15+ on it.
Matt - I usually hope against hope. But sometimes reality intervenes. I think you better forget about driving for a few years. I do like your website and you may want to look at making it economically viable. Good luck
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#39
01-21-2008, 09:40 PM
So, mbadriver,
You know when to put on boots?? Care to offer anything specific?? Or is that just one of the chips on your shoulder showing itself!! If we both agree that there is a problem with substance abuse in the drilling industry, then what specifically is it that I have said that you take issue with?? And, what is your personal experience in oil and gas drilling?
#40
01-21-2008, 09:44 PM
Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
I think you'll find that a lot of people believe in second chances. But second chances from drug convictions? Not in this industry. This, here, is your biggest issue and pretty nearly insurmountable in the trucking industry. No company is willing to be a blank check on a driver with a drug past.
The 15+ over isn't so bad, if that's the only thing on your MVR. A 15+ is a major moving violation and not an automatic careless, though some companies may view it as such. Most simply look at it as a major moving violation and most companies would be able to work with 1 major in the last 5 years. If you've been getting turned down on the MVR, I would hazard a guess that there's more than just the 15+ on it. For an experienced driver, I can see where the 15+ ticket might not be so problematic; but for a noob or wannabee?? My understanding was that anything over 15mph. would shut the doors of opportunity. You work in the industry, so you are better informed about this than I am. |
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