Because one of JB Hunts little pet peeves is the logs. Very strict, as I remember. Well, maybe they relaxed with you. Quite the shame, though. Use to be a some kind of gig against you if your logs are wrong.

Maybe I wrong now.....maybe they don't care as much anymore....
sorry for the intrusion.

 

Yeh, I haven't had any complaints from them yet. And there have been days when I've averaged nearly 62 mph according to my miles/hours. I guess they don't care unless you're literally over 62, which would be impossible. I log everything as I do it, but I will never log drop+hook, unload, load, fuel, pre/post-trip, etc more than 15 minutes. Sometimes I'll log a scale as 30 minutes if I have to get it reweighed 2-3 times, but I only do that because the time is on the ticket. No problems from the log department so far.

 

I did the same with JB, with the exception of doing a 30 minute pretrip added to what you have here. I did this for the DOT at the scales....some of them get a little picky, an when they see a 15 minute pretrip, they want to see you do one. Just easier to log 30.

Ok, I'm done. Catch ya later.

 

It is legal, its the only way it can be done if you are using a quarter hour logbook, as most do. I believe the FMCSA rule book even gives guidence on the proper way to log quarter hour logbooks.

I too drive for Werner, been doing it for 5 yrs. I just make sure I log on to line 3 so it will round up, not back. When I log to line 1 I try to time it to log back, not up. Although thats not as easy to time it.

I dont worry about tolls, tolls time you by the minute, logbooks do not.

 

It's legal. In fact, at Werner where you entered time in the DOT approved paperless logs, the way everyone picked up extra time was to use this rounding factor.

For example, if you stopped for a break and logged onto line 1, you would sit and wait until your Qualcom hit 8, 23, 37, or 53 minutes after the hour before you started driving again and logged onto line 3. That way you picked up 7 minutes extra driving time everytime you stopped. May not seem like much, but do it everytime you stop to eat, fuel, or piss and before you know it you've added half an hour or an hour to your 11. And as far as DOT is concerned, that's OK.

 

What many people don't seem to know is a lot of toll receipts (during rush hour) get preprinted before the start of the rush hour. They do that so as not to slow down the flow of traffic. I've had many receipts that was printed 30 minutes before I went through the toll.

D.O.T. don't get excited about matching receipts to logbook times. Same thing goes for rounding up/down. Let's face it very few time will you face being right up against the clock where rounding would gain you much time. Sure we can all set here a calculate and number crunch but that is all it is number crunching.

The only time I have heard was when a driver was out-of-hours for the day. They took him out-of-service for being over by 15 minutes and he was trying to get down the road for another 1 hour driving. I might add this driver had problems with one of the scale house employee in the past.

kc0iv

 

Yea but seriously, how many drivers do you think have been stopped at the scale and asked to show the DOT guy that he can do a pretrip in 15 minutes, which can be done.

 

I don't know....but I'm not going to be the first.

 

While I wouldn't say some scale master would make such a request any ticket he/she wrote I doubt would stand up in court. There simply is no law as to how long a inspection(s) should take.

Secondly, there is NO pre-trip inspection required per se. See: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...ction_toc=1954

Driver vehicle inspection report are to be prepared at the completion of each day's work. See: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...ction_toc=1953


kc0iv

 

It is the system that the Fed set up. If you log legally, you are doing it correctly. If you split the 15 minute block in two.... that is the correct way to log it. Round down in the first half of the block, and up in the second half.

While it can save you time, be careful not to get too "ambitious" saving time, as you can save yourself into an expensive hole.... 8)