I am all for banning smoking! Smokers should have to spend time watching two loved ones whither away to skin and bones from ephysema and lung cancer. Watch those loved ones crying out in pain when they have had the maximum dosage of pain medication yet they can't stand to be rolled over by the nurse. Hear those loved ones beg you to put them out of their misery!

Yeah those are the lasting memories of my beloved aunt and uncle, one who died at the age of 43 and the other at 52. Both of them took over two years to die a very painful and slow death. Both LOVED their cigarettes and paid dearly for that love.

So what if it costs a business money to ban smoking or provide non-smoking areas, so does the results of long term smoking. Such a petty excuse to not want healthy Americans instead!!! Our health care costs are skyrocketing and smoking is one of the leading causes.

Smoke around me and I will definitely tell you where to put that smoke!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

LET THE FREE MARKET DECIDE.

Who cares if you don't like smoking, who cares if it makes your hair stink or your eyes burn. I DON"T CARE.
If you don't want to smell it then go sit in the non smoking section.
If that is not good enough for you then LEAVE the bar or restaurant. In fact why don't you tell the manager why you are leaving. I bet he/she would love to hear how many customers he/she is losing because of allowing smoking in their Establishment.

By the way, I don't smoke, never have, never will. I don't care for it but I love Capitalism and the free market.

Last year the city I live in banned smoking in all bars and restaurants in the city limits. Two bars that had been in the city limits for 10 plus years closed up shop and moved 1/2 mile down the road outside the city limits. In the county its still legal to smoke in restaurants and bars. The city did not like losing that tax revenue but oh well thats what happens when you interfere with the free market, just ask Walmart. They handle it the same exact way.

I'm thinking about opening a SMOKING ONLY BAR in my area... anyone wanna back me.

 

My sister in law died in 2004 at 36 years old from ovarian cancer that spread throughout her body. On her death certificate the doctor said her death was caused by smoking, not ovarian cancer.

My dad died in 2003 at 87 because he had a stroke in 2001. On his death certificate the doctor said it was caused by smoking, he smoked for 71 years and quit 1 year before his stroke. But the real reason he died was from septic shock caused by infected bed sores.

Doctors are fudging the stats for politicians to get these laws passed by the do-gooder voters who think they are saving the world. How many times have you sat in a traffic jam with it not hot enough to run the AC and you have your window down breathing in all that fresh car exhaust.

When Big Brother tries to be my keeper, it gets my goat. :evil:

FYI: If you ever make it to Washington DC and do a tour of the buildings there, look at the top of the columns and you will see......ready for this....Tobacco Leaves.

Final advice, if you don't like a city, county or state law...move out of that city, county or state and have them lose their tax base.


That's my 2 cent rant for this subject.

 

This coming from someone who lives in the Liberal capital of the world. I'm surprised the state of Oregon hasn't made it a felony to possess tobacco.

All this boils down to is we do in fact live in a free country. I have the right to not inhale your smoke and you have a right to smoke. So somewhere a middleground needs to be met. Again your peers voted for these laws. And don't think these are one sided fights. The tobacco industry pours a lot of money to combat anti-smoking laws. The public, aka voters, have spoken. But hey, I'm sure there's some third world countries that would love to take you in.

 

The main point is that this concerns the Private Property Rights clause of Our Constitution and when Private Property rights, that is your Equipment you drive or the Home you live in, are taken it's called a "Taking" and the Constitution Clearly states that a person is deserving of "Just compensation" when deprived of that right.

This includes Restaurants where Cities have declared smoking in Private Businesses Illegal.
Problem is that most people aren't aware of this and lay on their backs and roll over when a city or state says Boo.

 

This is different when the substance effects patrons and employees. An Employer has to provide a safe workplace. A room full of smoke is not a healthy work environment.

 

I think smoking bars and non-smoking bars should exist. Maybe even have a special "smoking" (liquor) license even. Some people wanna smoke when they drink.

As a smoker, I DO NOT want my kids around 2nd hand smoke (IF I had any :wink: ). Smoking is harmful and a waste of money. Again, AS A SMOKER. I hate 2nd hand while I'm eating, I love one after a meal. Go firgure 8)

But, damnit, I want a cig when i shoot pool and pound bud lights and long islands. :lol:

 

Ontario has this smoking ban. Can't smoke closer than, I don't know for sure, 20 feet, 30 feet, something like that away from a doorway. No smoking what-so-ever on hospital grounds. AND no smoking in the workplace, and that means no smoking in the truck. We have "smoke police" peaking their noses in the bars and workplaces to see who is smoking. But now that the 'ban' has been in place for awhile, us smokers just accept it and we are careful where we smoke. It just all depends on who complains...probably should quit anyway.

 

Nope-The owner has the Right to have either a Smoking or Non-Smoking establishment and the Patrons have the Right to either enter or go to another place.

 

if an o/o paying himself a wage as an employee were to be fined for this.
Lets say you took it to court would they attempt to call yourself to testify against yourself.
answer i think not