Dana said:

[Treading VERY lightly here...] I believe NAIM meant to say "AM I to put..." and then made the distinction between the "incident date" and the "conviction date." He wants to know WHICH date they are asking for on the application. This can be a big factor if one (but not the other) falls outside the 3 year cutoff.

Well... not always moving. There are many times (depending on the carrier,) when you are laid over waiting on a load or such. I've spent lots of 24 layovers (and a few 34's) where I got to spend some time in a truckstop or other activities... Grand Canyon, Mt. Rushmore, London Bridge, CALI beaches, etc. But, you DO have to learn to sleep in a moving truck. It doesn't bother me that much (except for those rumble strips and sudden stops,) but sometimes I take half of a Tylenol PM to help put me under.

Um... actually, most sleeper trucks these days have dual controls. You pull the curtain and control your own environment.

This CAN be a problem. But, most companies try to pair you up with a smoker or non.

Another valid point, but actually.... if you spend the 10 hours in the sleeper like you should (and he does, too...) You are by yourself most of the time. If you can't sleep that long, you have reading lights, T.V. (in some cases,) etc. I mostly only see my co-driver when we switch out or are drop and hooking. (unless we get laid over.)

THAT one is the real stickler. Most drivers don't like being at the mercy of another. In my case... I used to fly backend on an RC-135 12 hours a day with my life in the pilot's hands, so it just isn't that big of a deal unless I can tell he is a really bad driver.

Now, if you are wondering... Naim... why we are going on about teaming, it's because it is often the best way for someone in your position to get the wheels turning. Doesn't mean you'd have to do it forever. 6 months or so down the road... you could probably get on with a company driving solo.

Getting back to your original question, though.... are you looking on your local ESC's website for trucking jobs? Many smaller companies list there.

 

Get a life you troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop being a key board commando! Just so you know, I PM'ed GMAN and told him that I can give as good as I get. To put a leash on you, yes you as a person. That message was for you my friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

AM I to put..." and then made the distinction between the "incident date" and the "conviction date." He wants to know WHICH date they are asking for on the application. This can be a big factor if one (but not the other) falls outside the 3 year cutoff. That's exactly what I need to know!!!HELP PLEASE and stop the debates........And do the companies hold things against you from over 15 yrs ago

 

Ok dude, do this, go in and lie your a** off. That seems what you want to hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm sorry Naim. I can't really stop what Dana is doing. I will TRY to find the answer, but like I said.... If you can go in and talk to them, they can tell you which date they need. Just stay calm... I'll try to get you the best answer I can on that. As for the 15 years? Well... they usually DON'T... but again it may depend on what it is that you have THAT far back.

Really.... it would help if you came clean with us. NOW you want to know about 15 years ago?

I'll get back to you soon. Promise.

 

Oohh... now I'm shakin' in my boots! Guess you didn't read Cluggy's post about how childish it is to "run to mama." In 8 years, I've only ONCE pm'd a mod.

Don't worry... he'll be here soon to settle this. But, I'm pretty sure that, if he reads my posts, he will see that I was on your side (at first.)

BTW.... the phrase is "keyboard RAMBO."

 

Geez,as a company you want the conviction date. If you had a suspension in the last three years it's going to take a lenient insurance policy.

 

Well, I will interject some of my professional experience into this. They will want the actual conviction date, b/c that Driving Under Suspension (DUS)charge is not official until it is upheld by a court. Furthermore, it is required by the courts for the prosecution to present a certified true copy of the offenders driving record showing when the suspension went into effect as well as when the suspension ends. In most states, the prosecution is also required to show that the DMV made an honest attempt to mail a notification of suspension to the driver stating the dates of suspension and how to go about clearing up the suspension.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer nor am I offering any legal advise. I'm simply stating my experience as a police officer and how the law has been applied in MY state.

 

naim215 said:

Okay, Naim. I found some of my old apps that I didn't submit. Thing is... seems like every carrier asks the questions a little differently. In fact... some of them ask the same question in DIFFERENT ways... hoping to catch you in a lie.

If they ask: Ever been convicted of? I give the conviction date.

Ever had your license revoked? I give the actual revocation date right off my MVR.

Ever been charged with? I give the date of the charge/incident.

I think I see your problem. You got a lawyer and had the court case postponed... and then got convicted anyway. I'm sorry. Happens to the best of us. The "incident" date was probably over (or close to) 3 years ago... but, the conviction date was much later? One of my apps asked for both dates. Usually, they have a section for you to "explain" your yes or no answers and dates. You can TRY to explain that the incident was 3 years ago... but, you'll still have to admit the conviction date was not.

Thing is... they will pull (if they haven't already) a copy of your MVR, and MOST of them know how to read one. They will see the same thing I "guessed." In fact... YOU should go pay the 10 bucks or so and get a copy of it yourself so YOU can see exactly what THEY will see.

SOME companies have a 10 year rule and pull a 10 yr MVR. Others go with 7 years. But, some of those Mom and Pops we mentioned only go for a 3 year. It all depends on their insurance... or in some cases... if they are small enough to be "self insured."

It really all depends on whether they can insure you... and THAT can depend on your conduct during a face to face interview.

I don't know where you went to CDL school, but... they shouldn't have taken your money if they knew they couldn't at least "help" place you. Some of them are crooked as a Republican! lol.

As I said... just as your OWN insurance rates won't go down until 3 years after the CONVICTION date... so won't THEIRS. I know you didn't want to hear that... but, it is the truth.

Now... I wish you'd tell us more about what the suspension was for... and about what happened 15 years ago (although that probably won't be a problem.) We just want to help, and we need more info. You aren't the FIRST to come on here with a ding or two on your record... and MOST of us try not to pass judgement.

AT LEAST clear up for me your first post. What is a c class DLC? Is that a CDL permit or something? It sounds like it was your first class C driver's license... but, you're 38 years old. If you got your CDL permit on your own, THEN went to school and got your CDL-A within a relatively short time last fall... at least you are not going to get "timed out" right away. Unfortunately.... I've heard that getting a CDL-A and NOT getting a job within 3 months CAN be a problem.

To keep from losing your ability to get a job, and to help feed the family, have you applied to the local Waste Management company? I think they have some lattitude... and it will keep your CDL active while you wait out the 3 years (if you need to.)

As a last resort, and I don't know much about this, could you apply for some kind of delivery type job in a box truck (which only requires a CDL-B?) You'd still have to retake the test in a year or so to upgrade back to the CDL-A... but... it would give you some driving experience (with a clean record) to help you out... as well as an income.

And, although it may not help, let me give you one last piece of advice. [I'm really trying to give you all the help and answers I can...] IF/when or NOW (if you think it will help) there is a place in Philly called the "Produce Market" or something like that. Do you know the place? Just west of the Betsy Ross bridge west of I-95. That's one of the places we (or our local drivers) would take our produce loads to as I mentioned in an earlier post. I think it is "gated" so you might not be able to get inside... but, as the trucks pull out, you MIGHT get some of them to stop and tell you if they are hiring, how stringent their policies are, or at least you can write down the names of all the company trucks that go in and out of there (and google them.) IF you can find a way to get a list of the companies that have docks there... you might call them and see if they need local drivers or something. (again... probably class-B.)

Man, I understand that you are desperate. I wish I could do MORE for you. If you have any other questions, I will do my best to get you an answer. I don't have a spotless record, but... I didn't have anything within 5 years when I went to school. ANY school or other "agency" that convinced you to spend money for CDL school with some kind of suspension on your 3 yr MVR... should be charged with fraud!

Do you have other skills that could help you get a job while you wait this out? Are you going to the local ESC at least once a week? Down here, they post jobs on a bulletin board there every day. Some are driving jobs that are NOT in the local paper. (Many of them are mom and pops!)

And again... I apologize for letting Dana hijack your thread. This happens alot on this board (and I am sometimes at fault.) But... it doesn't mean we don't HEAR you and intend to respond. Really... you weren't answering our questions (and still haven't,) and there's not alot we can do without some facts.

I really hope I have helped you some. I know I didn't have the answers you wanted to hear. But, this business doesn't allow for alot of wiggle room. We tell it as we know it to be true.

Good luck my friend. Keep us posted.

 

Reckless driving in 1995 had a suspension for a yr but I failed to respond and when i did it was 2002.