What your IQ?
#51
02-25-2008, 02:21 AM
Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
Why is it that everyone online has an IQ over 140, when scientific studies show that in reality only 1 in 1000 people have an IQ that high?
Here is the truth. Online IQ tests are just for fun, they arent accurate at all. There should be a disclaimer on online IQ tests that say, "If you believe this test is an accurate measure of your IQ, please subtract 40 points from your score to get a true measure". Also I wonder what the IQ is of someone who believes internet postings about Presidential IQs? I agree with you about "online" tests to a point. I just took one tonight, though, and I found it very "representative" of real tests that I have taken. Perhaps, a bit too easy! :roll: The most interesting thing I noted was the EXACT percentages for each level.... that seemed to say that people were of exact proportions on intelligence levels. That is to say that the number of people that were ONE level above average were EXACTLY the same percentage of the population that were one level BELOW average. How does THAT happen? :shock: :lol: What you said about "believing" in them (the online tests,) and subtracting 40 points, reminds me of the "bathtub test" on the comedy forum! :lol: What I said to Hoggie about the Presidential I.Q. tests, was in fun. I doubt that most of them were actually tested. But, I think it would be a good idea if they WERE from now on! 
#52
02-25-2008, 02:38 AM
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Originally Posted by Useless
Originally Posted by golfhobo
How much can it COST to "test" inmates? Heck, you can do it online for FREE! I would think that this is a VERY reasonable use of any government money appropriated..... to help understand the criminal mind! As for the homeless..... MANY of them are veterans, and have ALREADY been tested. But, again..... how much trouble or cost is involved in testing them when they come to a shelter for a bowl of soup? :roll: Spending government money to study the DNA of BEARS is obviously a waste..... but spending a buck or two per individual who make up TWO of the most costly and disturbing examples of American socio-economics and "class" SURELY can't be considered a waste of money! :lol: You can't FIX a problem that you don't UNDERSTAND. The only question is.... do you WANT to fix the problem?? :shock: Actually, Golf, An on-line IQ test is of rather limited value, especially where psychological endocrine disorders, and emotional disorders are involved. Where you find intelligent prisoners or intelligent homeless people, you'll usually find some combination of those disorders, Remember as well that accurate diagnosis is only part of the equation; other parameters such as substance addiction, histories of violent abuse, sexual abuse, and violent sexual abuse can not be calculated by an on-line test, but they also figure in to developing a workable rehab / therapy program. Well Golf, First, I was not meaning to express disagreement with you; I was merely pointing out that an on-line test can not be comprehensive enough to register an accurate quotient. So, you and I indeed have no disagreement, but allow me to apologize if I came off sounding as if I did. Yes, patient histories concerning ANY type of "abuse" are important factors in understanding the criminal mind..... but, THOSE figures can be held as "contributing" factors to an understanding of the criminal mind, and are separate from any revelation about their I.Q. Highly Debatable: The more we learn about the human psyche, the more clinical evidence is indicating that I.Q. CAN be affected by environment. Experts have CLEARLY established that certain forms of physical, mental, emotional, and sexual abuse DOES affect the "hard wiring" of the brain. PET scans have proven that growth, development, and function and efficiency of brain synapse is affected, and there are now methods that are being used to help reverse some of that damage. That therapy is rather expensive (I paid $150. per hour, and that was about eight years ago!!) and can be risky, but it can also be extremely effective. I speak from personal experience here; I benefited tremendously from Rapid Eye Movement Therapy. YOU posted the percentages of inmates (and homeless) with high I.Q's.... and I agreed that this is an interesting correlation. NOT one that surprised ME in the least. We were not talking about effective rehab programs. We mentioned ONLY that a significant number of both "suffered" from a high I.Q. True, we were not talking about rehabilitation programs or therapy; my point was that it's one thing to spend money on diagnosing a problem, but it is quite another matter to spend money on rehabilitaion and therapy. Perhaps I should clarify something here; when I speak of "Rehabilitation", that term covers a much larger spectrum that criminal rehabilitation or substance abuse/addiction rehabilitation. Where you find serious cases of any form of abuse or extreme neglect (ex: a child who is or was left unattended for several days, or locked away in a closet while her/his mother went out on a crack/prostitution jag, which is an all too often told story in jails, prisons, or homeless shelters) there IS a rehabilitation process that a victim must go through in order to recover. Now, this rehabilitation and therapy can be rather costly, and trust me, I speak from personal experience here; It is risky, it is extremely painful, it requires a very strong sense of determination on the part of the victim, it ain't easy, and it sure as hell isn't fun. Yet, if we as a society would invest in it, AND if we can keep the victim institutionalized long enough for the therapy and rehabilitation to be effective, THEN we could see some return for that investment. As it is, those patterns of abuse are handed down from one generation to the next, and the problem becomes more pervasive. I'm sure that we have no disagreement on this point. Obviously, the larger percentage of BOTH categories are way BELOW the "genius" level. But, the fact that 20% of them ARE categorized as geniuses, leads one to believe that there is, at least, no correlation between intelligence and NOT committing a crime. In fact, it is quite disturbing that such a large number of otherwise intelligent people, end up in prison or on the streets. I suffer emotional disorders. MOST of them are directly related to my I.Q. I am not homeless.... but have come close. I am not a criminal but can understand the motives of those who are. And ONE thing you failed to mention is.... the high percentage of SUICIDES that would fall into that high I.Q. category. And yes..... I have BEEN suicidal. An excellent point that you make here, Golf!!....and you are correct, I did fail to mention it....I'm glad that you did. ALL I said was..... it would not be a major waste of government funds to study the intelligence of the criminal / homeless mind. Perhaps, it would lead to better care for those who are "at risk." Any reduction of this populace (through suggested or mandated care or therapy) would be beneficial to society. Are we NOW in agreement? Well, Golf, with the exception of I.Q. development being influenced by environment, we never had any disagreement in the first place. Or must I go "postal" on you and 16 other members of CAD, who are totally innocent, JUST to prove my point? :lol: :lol: :lol: Well, Golf, That's a question that could spark further debate. On one hand, I'm sure that most of the moderators would prefer that you didn't; on the other hand, things sure do get lively and interesting when you do!! Perhaps we need a "Should Golf Go Postal ??" Poll! 
#53
02-25-2008, 03:09 AM
Originally Posted by terrylamar
Or must I go "postal" on you and 16 other members of CAD, who are totally innocent, JUST to prove my point?
#55
02-25-2008, 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by Ratdog
And all this was started by someone asking what our IQ was.
 Oh ...I say Good Form...'ol Chap.
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#56
02-25-2008, 03:26 AM
Originally Posted by roadhog
Here at CAD...we love to beat a dead horse. :?
Oh ...I say Good Form...'ol Chap.
#57
02-25-2008, 03:57 AM
I said:
How much can it COST to "test" inmates? Heck, you can do it online for FREE! I would think that this is a VERY reasonable use of any government money appropriated..... to help understand the criminal mind!
Actually, Golf,
An on-line IQ test is of rather limited value, especially where psychological endocrine disorders, and emotional disorders are involved.
Well Golf,
First, I was not meaning to express disagreement with you; I was merely pointing out that an on-line test can not be comprehensive enough to register an accurate quotient.
The more we learn about the human psyche, the more clinical evidence is indicating that I.Q. CAN be affected by environment. Experts have CLEARLY established that certain forms of physical, mental, emotional, and sexual abuse DOES affect the "hard wiring" of the brain. PET scans have proven that growth, development, and function and efficiency of brain synapse is affected...
ALL I said was..... it would not be a major waste of government funds to study the intelligence of the criminal / homeless mind. Perhaps, it would lead to better care for those who are "at risk." Any reduction of this populace (through suggested or mandated care or therapy) would be beneficial to society.
Or must I go "postal" on you and 16 other members of CAD, who are totally innocent, JUST to prove my point? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, Golf,
That's a question that could spark further debate. On one hand, I'm sure that most of the moderators would prefer that you didn't; on the other hand, things sure do get lively and interesting when you do!! Don't worry about the MODS! They know when to DUCK.... and if they're "carrying," they know when to hold 'em! They DO have "special agent" powers, of course..... but, they KNOW I am not targeting THEM! :wink:
#58
02-25-2008, 04:12 AM
Originally Posted by roadhog
Originally Posted by Ratdog
And all this was started by someone asking what our IQ was.
Oh ...I say Good Form...'ol Chap. Sometimes, the ORIGINAL question is suspect, or gets old real fast! Did you REALLY want to see a LIST of each poster and their I.Q.? :roll: Things are a bit slow here lately.... like the freight is.... so..... then Hoggie brings out his "dead horse" picture for NO GOOD REASON.... and we go on! :roll: Have you seen his "lady COP" pic??? :shock: :shock: :shock:
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#59
02-25-2008, 04:26 AM
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Welcome to the forum, Ratdog!! You seem to have a good sense of humor and will fit in well!
Sometimes, the ORIGINAL question is suspect, or gets old real fast! Did you REALLY want to see a LIST of each poster and their I.Q.? :roll: Things are a bit slow here lately.... like the freight is.... so..... then Hoggie brings out his "dead horse" picture for NO GOOD REASON.... and we go on! :roll: Have you seen his "lady COP" pic??? :shock: :shock: :shock:
#60
02-25-2008, 04:59 AM
Whaddaya think, Hoggie?? Should we show the newbie the lady cop's I.Q.???? :lol:
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