Why can police officers be the biggest idiots????

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To answer some questions for ben and golfhobo, I am an EMT here in PA, and also hold an EVOC license. (Emergency Vehicle Operation Certificate)

Ben, depending on what color lights are used on ambulances and fire trucks in WV those officers of fire companies and Ambulance corps are allowed to don the same color lights and use a siren, and the public is expected to treat them the same as a fire truck or ambulance.

For example here in PA Fire and EMS use Red/White lights for the rigs AND officers in their POV's. A normal volunteer or paid staff member can use a blue courtesy light and no siren. Drivers do not have to pull over for them but it is encouraged. Blue lighters also must stop at all stop signs and traffic lights and may not speed.(Which doesn't happen)

GolfHobo, it has been my experience and has been discussed with me by state troopers and other law enforcement that I know, that it is better for a driver to slow down and do their best to "get out of our way" than it is to stop in the roadway. Stopping in the road way not only puts the driver at risk but also the emergency personnel trying to overtake that vehicle/s.

What that trooper did was an embarrassment to not only law enforcement but also all emergency personnel. He needs a good ass chewing himself for behaving like an ego crazed lunatic.

Also being a truck driver, I have seen assholes like that trooper many times. They have no idea what it is like for a big truck to get out of their way, and they do not have the right to act like that trooper did plain and simple, so Rev. on this subject, you are a complete jackass.
 
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so Rev. on this subject, you are a complete jackass.
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so Rev. on this subject, you are a complete jackass.
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My thinking as well - I've seen him prove himself in many other posts :wink:
 
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Subchapter B. Right-Of-Way.
§ 3325. Duty of driver on approach of emergency vehicle.


(a) General rule.--Upon the immediate approach of an emergency vehicle making use of an audible signal and visual signals meeting the requirements and standards set forth in regulations adopted by the department, the driver of every other vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive to a position parallel to, and as close as possible to, the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway clear of any intersection and shall stop and remain in that position until the emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a police officer or an appropriately attired person authorized to direct, control or regulate traffic. On one-way roadways a driver may comply by driving to the edge or curb which is nearest to the lane in which he is traveling.

(b) Duty of operator of streetcar.--Upon the approach of an emergency vehicle, the operator of every streetcar shall immediately stop the streetcar clear of any intersection and remain in that position until the emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a police officer, or an appropriately attired person authorized to direct, control or regulate traffic.

(c) Defense.--It is a defense to prosecution under this section if the defendant can show by a preponderance of the evidence that the failure to stop immediately for a police officer was based on a good faith concern for personal safety. In determining whether the defendant has met this burden, the court may consider the following factors:

1. The time and location of the event.
2. The type of vehicle used by the police officer.
3. The defendant's conduct while being followed by the police officer.
4. Whether the defendant stopped at the first available reasonably lighted or populated area.
5. Any other factor considered relevant by the court.

(emphasis added)

http://members.aol.com/StatutesP1/75PA3325.html
Also see http://members.aol.com/StatutesPA/75PA3105.html about Drivers of emergency vehicles

So it would appear PA. has the same laws WV has when it comes to emergency vehicles.

I hadn't made a comment about either the driver or the trooper but I will now. I see nothing the trooper did was uncalled-for. What I do see is a driver that not only broke the law but then compounded the problem with a poor attitude. Showing a disrespect to a member of law enforcement.

I'm with the REV I would have not only cited the driver for the violation but performed a level 1 inspection.

Having driven for over 40+ years as a professorial driver I have only meet one State trooper that had what I would call an attitude. It has been my experience a trooper will rise to a level required to maintain control.

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Old 10-09-2007, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jegzus
To answer some questions for ben and golfhobo, I am an EMT here in PA, and also hold an EVOC license. (Emergency Vehicle Operation Certificate)
Then you should know the laws regarding this, which apparently you do not.

Blue lighters also must stop at all stop signs and traffic lights and may not speed.(Which doesn't happen)
How do you know they don't stop at stop signs and don't speed?

it has been my experience and has been discussed with me by state troopers and other law enforcement that I know, that it is better for a driver to slow down and do their best to "get out of our way" than it is to stop in the roadway. Stopping in the road way not only puts the driver at risk but also the emergency personnel trying to overtake that vehicle/s.
Please explain how it puts the driver or the emergency personnel at risk for the driver to stop, as opposed to continuing to move. An emergency vehicle can pass a stopped vehicle faster than he can a moving vehicle. That is simple elementary physics. Plus, it is the law in three states that we now know of.

What that trooper did was an embarrassment to not only law enforcement but also all emergency personnel. He needs a good ass chewing himself for behaving like an ego crazed lunatic.
REALLY? You were there? Or are you making that statement based on the recount of the story by 1/2 of the parties involved (who is obviously biased towards making himelf look better than the cop - which he still failed to do)

Also being a truck driver, I have seen assholes like that trooper many times. They have no idea what it is like for a big truck to get out of their way, and they do not have the right to act like that trooper did plain and simple,
Act like this trooper how? By stopping a vehicle that broke the law to inform him of such, and finding a jerk behind the wheel that:

1. wouldn't open his window
2. demanded the officer get off his step
3. argued with the officer, who clearly knew more about VA law than he did
4. had the nerve to consider reporting the officer who was nice enough to not even write him a ticket when he violated the law

What exactly did the officer do that was so wrong?

so Rev. on this subject, you are a complete jackass.
How so? Because I am seeing through the BS? :roll:
 
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CA - Drive as close to the right edge of the road as possible and stop until the emergency vehicle(s) has passed http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs53thru55.htm
LA - If you are traveling on a two land road, slow your vehicle to a safe speed, usually 25 MPH, and gradually pull off the road and as close to the right hand curb or shoulder as possible and stop your vehicle. http://www.ci.shreveport.la.us/dept/fire/yield.htm
NY - or to either edge of a one-way roadway three or more lanes in width, clear of any intersection, and shall stop and remain in such position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed http://www.nysgtsc.state.ny.us/emer-vt.htm#sec1144
IL - When being approached by an emergency vehicle using audible and visual signals, immediately pull to the right side of the road and wait for the emergency vehicle to pass http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/pu...s/dsd_a207.pdf
NJ - Steer to the extreme right of the roadway and stop. Wait for the emergency vehicle to pass. http://njtrafficlawcenter.com/emerg_vehi.htm
OH - Traffi c in both directions must pull to the right and stop. http://www.publicsafety.ohio.gov/pub...les%209-07.pdf
MO - the driver of every other vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive to a position parallel to, and as far as possible to the right of, the traveled portion of the highway and thereupon stop and remain in such position until such emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a police or traffic officer. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C300-399/3040000022.HTM
WI - states that operators of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive their vehicle to a position as near as possible and parallel to the right curb or right-hand edge of the shoulder of the roadway, clear of any intersections and unless otherwise directed by a traffic officer, shall stop and remain standing in such a position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed. http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/fire/pre...y_vehicles.htm
TN - The driver of every other vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive to a position parallel to, and as close as possible to, the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway clear of any intersection, and shall stop and remain in such position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed, http://www.tennessee.gov/safety/moveover.htm
VA - Pull to the nearest edge of the roadway and come to a complete stop until all emergency vehicles have passed. http://www.rockinghamcountyva.gov/sh...spx?PageID=160
FL - yield the right-of-way to the emergency vehicle immediately proceed to a position parallel to the nearest curb then stop and remain in position until all emergency vehicles have passed http://www.marioncountyfl.org/RSSFee...%20Life%20.htm
These are the first 11 I found doing a google search on yield emergency vehicles. I think it is clear that most if not all states require a motor vehicle to move to the right and stop when a emergency vehicle is approaching you from behind.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I wonder how many states have laws that state "When an emergency vehicle approaches you from behind, don't move over, slow down, and stick your arm out the window to tell the emergency vehicle to pass."
 
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I think he should have stopped, slowly not abruptly and got over as far as he could, even if only an inch. It shows you're at least making an effort. I also think the cop was wrong if he lost his cool. Never lose your 8)
 
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Let the flaming begin.
Bah-hahahahahaha Rev don't ever change!

We always need a fresh view point on here and not just another Yes Man. Even if you don't agree with me, I always appreciate your input.
 
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wonder how many states have laws that state "When an emergency vehicle approaches you from behind, don't move over, slow down, and stick your arm out the window to tell the emergency vehicle to pass."
So is smoking.

I'll let someone else do a search on that law.

That should be fun. arty:

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