This could be a nightmare. any d.o.t inspector can issue bogus violations. I have only had 2 in 11 years, but it can happen. the last one, I was pulled over in a 45 m.p.h. contruction zone on i-65 & the d.o.t did an insp on the shoulder. after 45 min he wrote me up saying that some of my reflective tape on my trailer was faded. it was in august 2 p.m bright sunny day. he patrolled that area & by looking at my log book, I told him I am dedicated on this stretch of hywy & I will have new tape put on in a matter of an hour & I will be traveling this interstate twice a day every day. he could pull me over & check me anytime. just give me time to comply. no deal. now for anyone who says I was in deed in violation. your right. but the officer can use discrection. he was going to find something no matter what. i.m.o.

 

I am not going to worry too much about it until I receive something from the feds. This is something that has been in the works for some time. While I don't welcome any more federal interference I would like to see some of these bad drivers moved out of this business.

 

[QUOTE=GMAN;465877]I am not going to worry too much about it until I receive something from the feds. This is something that has been in the works for some time. While I don't welcome any more federal interference I would like to see some of these bad drivers moved out of this business.[/QUOTE


I too would like to see the bad drivers who give us all a bad name. though the bad drivers & the d.o.t can deal with each other. what I would like to see first, is the rate cutters gone.

 

From my discussion this was still a gray area. But, drivers in the test states were already being terminated. And this is where the insurance companies come in, what will be the least acceptable driver score before an insurance company steps in and says no, this driver has to many points? At that point, you may as well pull the guys CDL for at least a year or more. My point is, is that this scoring system is so open to abuse, and then throw in the 3 x multiplier for that first year... We shall see, hopefully it will not be as bad as it looks, but this is the government and they are here to help...

 

Justruckin said:

I hesitate to give my 2 cents on this subject cuz we all know what usually happens when I do, but.....

First off, we ALL do realize (don't we) that this Steve Kessler does not work for some "CSA2010 website" as there is none officially that I know of. The site all this info is coming from is provided by a company called Vertical Alliance Group, INC. ...... which is SELLING A PRODUCT by stressing (if not hyping) a few minor changes in the way the FMCSA and the DOT will monitor safety data on companies and "eventually" their drivers.

I do not mean to "diss" the O.P. as he has obviously invested alot of time into researching this topic. And, yes..... I DID read pretty much the whole website before speaking up. I appreciate the info that there is a change coming..... but, nothing I read made me think that there was a MAJOR sea change afoot.

Well..... not exactly. As there ARE NO NEW RULES yet until this becomes effective "by the end of 2010," any firings are in preparation of and for the purpose of cleaning up their driver pools BEFORE they find themselves in a costly situation.

Also, 175,000 drivers.... out of the estimated 3 million on the road.... is about 5%. So.... the absolute WORST 5% of drivers out there (who have managed to elude the truth for far too long) are being/will be "found out" and weeded out as a result of a more efficient method by the agency tasked with monitoring who can drive a CMV and who can't. Like others here..... that sounds okay by me.

Did he get the impression that you COULD be a "consumer" of his product? Selling someone on the COST SAVINGS of one's product (while creating a negative impression of the "stated" goal of the competition or government) is one of the major tactics in sales. [As is using "planted" testimonials.]

I'm sure it was, and I'm sure you will.

More reliable and impartial information/links MIGHT change my mind.... but, for now you can list me as a "poo pooer."

 

Here are the points:

CSA 2010 Violation Severity by Numeric Weight Charts

It's interesting because if you get four "light burnt out" tickets(6 points) within 6 months (3X multiplier) your CDL is suspended.

 

Is this directed at ME?

As I said.... I've already read ALL that info. Actually, I have YET to find the numbers of 90 and 72 points listed on that site. (I'm not saying they aren't there... I must have missed them.) However.... I didn't MISS the part that said that you CANNOT equally apportion the points assessed on ONE category across the board. I.e: 6 points for a light out is NOT the same weight as 5 points for a false log.

I REALLY don't want to get into a discussion of this info that approximates my analysis of the FMCSR's.... but, SOME people are misreading MUCH of the info on that site.

 

No not directed at anyone. I couldn't find the points earlier and I looked for a while.

 

Okay, I've been off the site a bit lately and missed the other thread. I see there IS an official government site, and I have now read MOST of IT.

My opinion of the "private sector" site has not changed. I will be looking more into the FMCSA site. I have already noticed ONE important aspect of it as it concerns drivers. Really, not much has changed.