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Old 11-05-2008, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rgordon212
Just fueled at the Road Ranger in Champaign, IL tonight and it stated on the pump "20% Bio-Diesel Blend" not 2% as you stated.... I dunno?
My bad on that gordo. I had never seen or worked with anything above 2%
Indeed, I did a little research and you are correct. Of course, it is actually Orangetxguy's fault.

"Biodiesel is rarely used in its pure form. Instead, it is typically blended with petroleum diesel and designated by the percentage of biodiesel in the mix. For example, B5 is comprised of 5 percent biodiesel and 95 percent petroleum diesel. The most common biodiesel blends currently available are B20 and B2."
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
That's it. I'm changing to KY Jelly.


And I just started using cherry ICEE's to top off my coolant. The guy at the truck stop gave me a weird look when I bought 5 gallons of the stuff.

:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:

Wanna know what KY is made from !!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by belpre122
My bad on that gordo. I had never seen or worked with anything above 2%
Indeed, I did a little research and you are correct. Of course, it is actually Orangetxguy's fault.

"Biodiesel is rarely used in its pure form. Instead, it is typically blended with petroleum diesel and designated by the percentage of biodiesel in the mix. For example, B5 is comprised of 5 percent biodiesel and 95 percent petroleum diesel. The most common biodiesel blends currently available are B20 and B2."



And just "Why" is it my fault you ferget to blend? Huh? Come on you fume sniffer!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:

I see more B20 & B15 labels than I do B2. :moon:

I hate bio-diesel because it does plug up the fuel filters. issedoff:issedoff:issedoff:issedoff:isse doff:issedoff:

Say...when your switch blending ethonal....do you get it right??? :clap::clap::lol::lol:
 
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Old 11-06-2008, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Say...when your switch blending ethonal....do you get it right??? :clap::clap::lol::lol:
Of course I do Stan! Every single time..... Never anything less than perfection!...............and I don't Scully out anymore either.

One cut-rate chain in the area blends ethanol, liquified natural gas and conventional all in one load. Those poor guys have to card in and out 3 times for each load. It takes forever if you are unlucky enough to pull in behind them at the rack. They don't care though...........they're on the clock.

There's always the option of loading all 850 of ethanol to tank 3 and blending when you get there:hellno:......................An 'associate' told me that he does it that way.........too damn risky for Belpre (not to mention totally wrong and against every terminal and company policy). Wadda you do with a no-fit? When he told me about that method is when I totally stopped listening to any of his freely given advice!

Thankfully, we stopped buying ethanol separately about 6 months ago. :bow:

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Old 11-06-2008, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wildkat
I dunno, with the extreme cold I deal with Howes is no good for me...we just keep it around our truck stops & stuff for you guys. Howes is no good for anything below about -25. I personally used a conditioner made by Kleen-Flo, it's an anti-gel to -70, a an ULD conditioner as well. 1 quart does most of the winter, a few ounces in each tank each fill does the job. But then in winter we run Diesel 50, which means it will not gel above -50, in reality it's heating oil.
Interesting, I thought Howe's would work well in extreme cold. Sure had me fooled for the 6 years I operated in the interior of Alaska. We did have a good mixture of #1 and #2 diesel (and also Arctic Fox fuel heaters) but had Howe's premixed in as well. Never had a gell problem. Maybe it was a different Howe's company... is there more than one? I have been using Howe's ever since then for the last 20 years. Never have experienced a gell problem in all that time.

Regarding the cost of Howe's products, just do a google on the products. I was able to get Howe's Diesel Treat for $9.50 a half gallon recently at www.thedieselstore.com Even after shipping costs for 4 cases, the cost was only about a buck higher per half gallon.

I do experience a little better performance and fuel economy using Howe's. Not sure it is enough to justify any wild claims. For keeping the fuel system cleaner, I have been on a 10% biodiesel blend for the last 2 years (even running in Minnesota and Wisconsin in the winter) and that does a far better job at keeping the system clean. Bio has a pretty good solvent effect on a fuel system. Now I only use Howe's as an anti-gel. The bio does the work of keeping the system clean, increasing cetane, and adding lubricity. Of course, with bio you will have a fuel system cleanout that will cause a few filter changes early on, but after that, you will not have to change filters anymore than normal. Never had the winter horror stories some claim with using bio in the winter. Of course, if you have never had bio in your truck before (so that system cleaned out), nor add in a good anti-gel, then head into real cold temps with bio in the tank, you will probably be on the side of the road.
 
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Old 11-07-2008, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by belpre122

Of course I do Stan! Every single time..... Never anything less than perfection!...............and I don't Scully out anymore either.

One cut-rate chain in the area blends ethanol, liquified natural gas and conventional all in one load. Those poor guys have to card in and out 3 times for each load. It takes forever if you are unlucky enough to pull in behind them at the rack. They don't care though...........they're on the clock.

There's always the option of loading all 850 of ethanol to tank 3 and blending when you get there:hellno:......................An 'associate' told me that he does it that way.........too damn risky for Belpre (not to mention totally wrong and against every terminal and company policy). Wadda you do with a no-fit? When he told me about that method is when I totally stopped listening to any of his freely given advice!

Thankfully, we stopped buying ethanol separately about 6 months ago. :bow:

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Just what the heck are they doing with the LNG???



The danged meters at ARCO / BP would mis-blend from time to time. The "Leadman" in the terminal office had to pencil whip the calculator...or pump off the offending compartment. Lot's of pencil whipping goes on still. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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Old 11-07-2008, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rgordon212
I'm sure the look was due to the combo.... I would look at you strange too if you just bought 5gal of ICEE and some KY Jelly LOL!!!

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Old 11-07-2008, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Just what the heck are they doing with the LNG???

Well Stan, they blend the LNG (that's what they call it-quite sure it is not pure LNG), which I have been told is a by-product of propane production, as a filler. I can't quite recall what percentage of this garbage that they blend in. They have to load conventional first, ethanol, and then this LNG crap. Apparently this stuff will not even burn unless mixed with the ethanol. It evaporates almost immediately. Garbage gasoline.

Only one company that I know of does this. One of their drivers told me that he put it in his lawnmower and it wouldn't run! Since I'm guessing that this blend is proprietary, I will refrain from outing them. Although they most certainly deserve it.
 
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Then again, the only legitimate fuel additive that you should have to use is an anti gel. Anything beyond that is simply wasting money.

Anti gel agents are just mineral spirits which definitely affect lubricity - negatively!!

If you care about your truck a fuel heater is your only option.

If your gonna trade it eventually or someone else owns the truck, put in any damn crap you're stupid enough to waste money on! Who cares?


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Old 11-07-2008, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by YerDaddy
Anti gel agents are just mineral spirits which definitely affect lubricity - negatively!!

If you care about your truck a fuel heater is your only option.

If your gonna trade it eventually or someone else owns the truck, put in any damn crap you're stupid enough to waste money on! Who cares?


Hey Saggy, yer fenders are dull!

Is this the advice of a certified petroleum engineer?
 




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