You know, I've heard from many people that they do not see any noticeable loss of traction and handling in the winter running ten steers. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I've seen a discussion on CAD about the merits of doing this. As to the comment about having fun on Loveland Pass... chances are if there's any amount of snow, you'll be required to chain up anyway. A couple of weeks ago, I was required to chain up on I-70 West from MP 220 to Vail due to 2” of snow on the roadway. I love Colorado and their inability to manage even a small amount of snow on the road.

I think a lot of winter traction has to do with weight distribution (trailer axle weight compared to drive axle weight) than anything else. When we pulled an enclosed auto transport, we were always heavy on the trailer axles and light on the drives and always had problems making it up a snowy hill, and that was with brand new 726ELs.

 

I've heard something similar. Here you go, double-wide singles, no deep lugs there.

 

I'm not so sure about that. I do think that some things work in some applications and do not work in others. Take the fuel additive that we were discussing in another post, Rev… I think that in some cases fuel additives work and in other cases they do not. There are a myriad reasons this could be true. Perhaps one type of engine could benefit from an add-on part or fuel additive because of the way that engine is set up, while another engine will not. In the case of the Turbo 3000, I’m not sure what to think about it. I know it did not work for me in my application of the product, but there are also many others who swear by it. I would love to see some empirical evidence that would show whether it works or not, but that kind of testing is extremely expensive, so unless the company itself wants to pay for independent testing, it will not get done. You would think that it would behoove these companies to have independent testing done (as Howes did with Cummins) because it would add to the credibility of the product they are promoting. When they cannot produce any such testing results, I am always skeptical.

 

Well seeing how the Petercar has a bored C15 in it, running a ball berring T9 Garrett turbo with a Connoco fuel pump and pushing over 3300 trq to the rears it has it's disadvantages. I installed it to see if it would make a difference, but the higher fuel pressure resulted in the 3000D actually cutting back the fuel needed to properly run the truck so I took it off......

if it was just your basic C15 like in the International, which is showing a .5-.7mpg increase then it was well worth it.

Dont knock something you have never tried.

Your probably the same guy who is going to bitch about who is president even though you didnt vote :yup:

 

Yes but have you also ever considered why they dont want you to put chains on a steer tire? Even the manufacturer will void your warranty if you do.... just food for thought.

Like I said, i had a bad experience with it. I tried it and did not like it, so i just used them on the steers on the 3 trucks, and still have 1 set left....

your not going to listen to me, just wanted to state my experience.

 

It has nothing to do with not listening, rgordon. I completely believe that for you, running steers on your drives is not a good thing, because you say it is not. For others, it may be different. As with many decisions people make, there may not be one right or wrong choice that applies for everybody. I know I have heard from some experienced drivers that they prefer running steers on their drives. I also know that many others, such as yourself, prefer not to do this. As long as you are happy doing what you’re doing, why would I care? What you or someone else does may not be the right decision for me and the converse applies to the choices I make for myself. Perhaps the biggest benefit of frequenting CAD is the diversity of opinions that you are exposed to. I rarely post on CAD, partly because I usually do not have the time and partly because I think boards such as this would be better if people would read more and contribute only if they have something truly worth contributing (take Gman for example). Usually, somebody has already brought up a point that I would make, so I refrain from posting superfluous information.
As for chaining steer tires voiding the warranty, I wouldn’t be so sure about that. I would believe that it might void the warranty if you chained a tire placed on a steer axle; but remember that they really aren’t “steer tires”. I think if you look at a tire manufacturer’s website, you will find them listed as “All Position” tires. I would think that a tire listed as “All Position” would need the ability to be chained when installed in the drive or even trailer axle position.

 

Wow. LIGHTEN UP!!!

I hardly think my facetious comment deserves a response like that...

 

Yes musicman, you are correct about the "all positions" comment, but I found out that Bridgestone will not warrant ANY of their "all position" tires if they have had a chain placed on them. I had 2 tires (R280's) that were cupping very badly, and when I went to the dealer who installed them, they said they could not warranty them because they were placed in the drive position and had been chained at some point???? Of course I told them I never chained them, hell i dont even own a set of chains, but they said Bridgestone would not replace them. of course I though he was just trying to sell me 2 more tires, so i called Bridgestone and they said the same crap....... and told me if it were their "drive position" tires they would have been covered such as the 726EL.

I'm not saying I'm right or your right, or whatever, i just wanted to let him know my experience with the R280's in the drive position.

 

I thought that was pretty funny. It's my personality and it's the message board. No, that was light for me, I got a good laugh out of it. I particularly like this one: :moon:

 

I don't have to jump off a skyscraper to know that it is a bad idea....

If "changing the travel pattern" of fuel (whatever that truly means) actually created the MPG increase that they claim, then every manufacturer of a class 8 engine would be installing these magic tubes at the factory, and advertising the hell out of the fact that their engines gain better fuel mileage. Yet none of them do......

Someone who is attempting to save fuel will change their driving habits, even if it is subconsciously. People have a desire to attribute a change to something specific, even if that "something specific" isn't the real cause of the change. A magic brass tube is not going to increase fuel mileage. Period.