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#142
10-10-2007, 04:36 PM
What we are saying that is why does GOD toy with us? Why let Job go through what he went through!
WHY DOESN'T GOD JUST SHOW HIS FACE AND STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH US? Your belief is that he know all and see all. Show his face, destroy the enemy (devil) & we will live happly ever after!
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#143
10-10-2007, 04:54 PM
:? Once again:
I typically avoid these discussions due to being a modulator, but will weigh in with a simple answer. In all things, there must be opposition. In other words, to know joy, you must know sorrow. You have to know sickness in order to know health...pain in order to feel pain-free. The list goes on and on. As far as putting up with evil, God doesn't make people do what they do. God grants us our free will to act as we may. Sometimes we'll let temptation get the better of us and other times we will win out over that temptation. In doing so, we progress and we learn. That's what being God's children is all about.
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#145
10-10-2007, 06:12 PM
Laughing!!
You don't owe me anything! Like I said before : "Your beliefs are your beliefs and mine are mine" And the you telling my that you prayed for me! GIVE ME A BREAK! I know the game! Christian use that as a POWER shift tactic to say that they feel sorry for you because you don't share their beliefs. Hey I am finish with this conversation and this tread because when it is all said and done there is no changing how I feel about the FAIRY TALE and there is no change how you feel about your GOD! You control your own Destiny!!!
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#147
10-10-2007, 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Trukrswyfe
Hey there Slim, P,
Lets get one thing straight , agrue for the sake of agruement, Nah!! Pain why does God allow pain. Well for starters He does not like to inflick pain but we are my friend a stiff necked people and unfortunatlely when we are hurting we call on our only Help. Usually. Why is God allowing this trial in your life right now??? Is that the real question? Have you asked him? And you got no answer? Is that what Im really hearing? To endure through a difficult trial allows the Lord to teach you to trust Him in all things. Maybe you did trust Him, maybe you were tight with Him and then Bam, Out of No where , Like a Sucker Punch then the rug was pulled out from under you. Now your breathless in pain and on the floor. Ok maybe not but (for sake of arguement I go with this ok  ) No I do not think that the Lord was up in heaven drinking his coffee spit it every where surprised as you are to be in your present cirrcumstances. Why because similarly I was going along tight with God and out of no where it was like a really bad movie for me. But in the midst of this I took a moment to gather myself catch my breathe and give thanks. Peace and Joy in the middle of a trail is an awesome and beautiful thing and the truth is if life was all sweets and roses I would begin to wonder if I was really on track. Attacks and trails are like a thermametor , they let you know where you really are. Peter says Lord I will follow you anywhere and the Lord says sorry Peter but you really won't. After that the Lord was able to really use Peter and he was crucified himself only upside down. (Foxes Book of Marters)Gosh Im rambling, Am I saying you deserve you pain? no absolutely not, No dobt you are reading Job and questioning your belief in a God that allows pain ( mistakes of others or faulty medical equipment) right? Job never questioned if there was a God only whether he deservered his present cirrcumstances. The Lord didn't give an out right answer did He only who do you think you are to qestion me. But you and I aren't even asked to go through what Job did, He was covered in boyles with no current drugs to ease his pain just a stick to scratch with. Sorry but my own pain and life doesn't come near. The truth is there was a purpose for Job suffering. What if God said Job I am going to write all this down and through all the years when people are in pain and struggling they will turn to these pages and see that I am God even in the midst of your trials. Do you think Job would have believed him? Maybe but of all the million and billions of believers over the years in heaven, to be Job, see what a Glorious thing the Lord did to allow those awful times in Jobs life. My point is look at the big Picture! Could it be Im way off? About God, no luckily I have not been asked to Die for this belief? I believe there is a God and I can find something to thank Him for everyday, and in all things,  But you have hit on some points-- Do I as a believer blame God--YEP, why-- For the exact reason you put down.. Do I know why-- I can guess, probably cause I was comfortable.. DO I hate Him for it--NO WHY?--Becuase He knows best, all I can do is trust! That is it, nothing more.. But this was just for the sake of argument,, Pigrider gave a good question, I wanted to see if y'all would answer it.. I think you and TF gave some good answer's, but it still didn't answer the original question.. it just gave some idea's of freewill. So lets go off this free-will, If we have free will, why is our out come already known? Who can go against His will? This brings into mind the potter and the clay, who are we to ask! God doesn't have to answer us. He is God.. But it would be nice. free will IMOP is based and is the Law, for the Law is what give's us the choice.. If we didn't have the Law, then NO choice would have been offered. Thus we couldn't be held accountable. Kinda like a child.. Adam and Eve befor the Law of "thou shal not eat" did't have a law, so anything done that now would be considered sin, was not. Becuase there was no law to say don't do that.. Hasn't the law Always been there? IMOP YES-- it is apart of God, It is HOLY, and it is the bringer of Sin and Death. When it flowes through man it kills him, showing us our ungodlyness.. IMOP the law is Evil and IMOP that is the Evil that God created, Evil is not to be missunderstood as Sin, but a Temptation to Sin.. Since we are mad in Gods image, then we as little gods have the law in us, showing it written on our hearts. We are the only ones with a spirit, and that spirit has no life apart from God.. The only way to God, is through His Word, that Word is Law, and it became flesh and dwelt amongst men, So we could Believe God and who He is.. So pigrider I don't think my answer will help any,, But on top of what I said,, God made everything, and withing this everything He made the Laws, and IMOP like I have told GolfHobo, He "God" when it comes to creation and the laws of it, He willingly, abides by His Own Law.. if Not IMOP, God would be an outlaw :lol: The Law points to God, and gives you the choice of free will to believe or not.. God cannot not believe in Himself. Thus abides by the Law.. If He where to outstep the Law, "Which I believe He could" What would happen? He would go against His own Word, and according to Paul, God can do all things Except SIN, and SIN is the fall into temtation, So God can be tempet Jesus was, but without sin. And Sin according to Hebrews is to deny God. God cannot deny Himself.. Thus He willingly abides by His own law, and we are no better, If our Lord was rejected per say, we also will be.. Just for the Sake of Argument Slimland
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#148
10-10-2007, 09:49 PM
So lets go off this free-will, If we have free will, why is our out come already known? Who can go against His will? This brings into mind the potter and the clay, who are we to ask!
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#149
10-11-2007, 12:58 AM
Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
So lets go off this free-will, If we have free will, why is our out come already known? Who can go against His will? This brings into mind the potter and the clay, who are we to ask!
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#150
10-11-2007, 02:04 AM
Fozzy wrote:
Thats semantic silliness. If someone has preprogrammed the outcome, then it is impossible to call it free will. This would be nothing more than a puppet show. free will means that you have a choice, predetermined outcome is not free choice.
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