Wow you mean this thread still is in exsistence!?

I thought CAD Lost most of this stuff, this has been in hiding for a a little more than a year now.

 

Hey Useless...got a great book for you to read:

"The Case For A Creator" by Lee Strobel.....A journalist investigates scientific evidence that points toward God.

The book is a series of interviews by Strobel (was the legal editor for Chicago Tribune) with leading leading researchers and explores the latest theories in cellular biology, DNA research, astro physics etc. I'm on my second read of it.

http://www.amazon.com/Case-Creator-J...5507700&sr=1-1

 

Thanks for the recommend, Geomon!!

I want to get a read on that!!

 

Do I believe in a god that has human attributes and even form? no, Do I believe that there isa passionate god? No, Do I believe that God needed a so.. No (you'd have to have human attributes for that. Do I believe that those who are willing to kill for god or RULE others on their version of what they thing god is has been a plague on the world.. you betcha

 

I used to believe close to what Fozzy said (and still agree with most of the last sentance) with much more of a scientific-pragmatic lean....it's either evolution or God....but not both. I know believe that evolution and natural processes (physics, bio-chemistry) are the paint brush strokes of God. There's simply too much evidence to show evolution happens and I refuse to check my brain at the church door. The beautiful thing is that there are more and more people who also believe that both can exist.

I also know that Jesus actually lived and was not just a figment of the apostles imagination and pens. There are accounts of Him from other sources such as Roman historians. So, based on what He said and did, he had to be one of three things....a liar, a lunatic, or Lord. And the disciples (those who experienced Him first hand) went to their deaths for Jesus....something you wouldn't do if you knew it was a lie.

I've been thinking and reading long and hard on this for the last few years and have moved off of sitting on the fence where I sat for years calling myself an agnostic.

 

So using this analogy, the Japanese military were supporting, killing and dieing for a god just as real and relevant as the god who supposedly fathered Jesus. Jesus did exist, that does not make him nor anyone else a son of god. The current day Islamic whackos are gladly following their god to their deaths, and I doubt many would say that they are justified nor that their deaths are really proof that their god is any more real than the god of Jesus or god of Imperial Japan

 

If He {Jesus} is a Liar-- Then We are still dead in our sins, according to the old law, for the new law, would not have come at that time.. And I say new law, because the old testament talks of the new law to come.

If He {Jesus} is a Lunatic-- Then there is no diffrence IMOP and that is what it is IMOP-- any diffrence between the world religions. and what is what of faith, is now a system, and not of the heart. Therfor anyone's idea could be accounted for {The will of God} for in actuality this would make us our own gods.. wich in a sense is true, considering free will!! But a lunatic could be followed, we seen that in hitler, the church of rome, the now Islamic wako's.

If He {Jesus} is Lord-- then it would make more sense, that this has cause more debates, more inspiration around the globe than anyother religion. And All the prophecy's concerning Messiah and so forth.. I know of no other religion that has such detail and absolute accuracy..


So Fozzy you just took one analogy, to fit your skepticsism.. Now I expected you to do better. I think you getting soft. :lol: 8)

 

Except for a) the fact that he is the only one who said he was the son of God. Neither Abrabam nor Bhudda nor (can't think of his name..Hindu dude) ever stated that and b) there are eyewitness accounts to the miracles that Jesus did including his appearance after his death.

Their just gunnin for the 30 (40? 400?) virgins

[/quote]So using this analogy, the Japanese military were supporting, killing and dieing for a god just as real and relevant as the god who supposedly fathered Jesus.

 

Not true in the least. The only way that this is true is if you believe that Christ is the son of god. I and more people on the planet do not believe that its true in the least no matter how much you want too.

And of course Jesus, you prove the statements to be true. You also prove that all religions are the same in almost every facet.

That's not even remotely true. Debates based on theology bring us the condition the planet is in today. Religion is behind ALL the evil in the world and has since religion and the various religions gods were invented.


Soft? Not here man, you are just having a bout of wishful thinking...

 

Way too much speculation and conjecture to be even near factual or even relevant. Buddhists do not claim a god at all, so that's not relevant and the Son of Sam and other kooks and murderers have claimed to be the son of God.. Are they lying or are they Jesus' bothers?

You are mocking another religion based on what? They have just as much right to kill and of course die for their gods as the other religions (including Christians) as anyone else. there is not one sliver of difference.

It's exactly the same belief. Bushido is not something to scoff at, we are as we speak being subjected to this behavior in the form of militant Islam. The Bushido code is the same as in when their god asks them to give up their life for their god or gods and the rewards is everlasting life (immortality).

Why is that tough? Life is life for everything from the single sell animals to Humans to other organisms that we haven't even discovered yet. All of their life cycles are the same except for this god silliness that some humans end others humans or animals life process with. Religion is dangerous, and the various gods are no help when the other theology is banging at the door

Those are both facts. See the problem here is that this also points out the problem of religion in general. The rain has no will and will fall on us all and each drop will hit everything, the Jews were rounded up and killed because they were Jews. Why is this so confusing for the religiously blinded?