Simple fact regarding gay "marriage."

Marriage is a legal relationship wherein society grants special privileges to the parties involved. It is also a relationship that places obligations on third parties. Because society is the one bearing these obligations, society has the authority to say "yea" or "nay" to permitting the relationship.

If society does not see sufficient upside to permitting the legal relationship that also binds third parties, then society has every right to say "no."

If two (or more) people want to live together, pool their resources, it is somewhat more of a stretch to deny that. As soon as they want society to be a party to the relationship, then society has a say.

 

MARRIAGE is between a man and a woman. That being said, there should be some kind of separate institution LIKE marriage for homosexuals.

 

So the Constitution should be burned to make the homophobes happy? I have asked this question many times and all I get is the normal ignorance from those afraid that some homosexual is going to use some sort of gay voo doo to turn everyone into a homosexual. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

There are rights we have as Americans. I find it quite sad that there are still Americans who demand that the government keep its nose out of their business yet demand that it stick its nose into other people's business. I've heard that being homosexual is a choice. It's something that I only partially agree with. There have been homosexuals throughout time. Homosexuals are here and they really aren't going anywhere and they really shouldn't have too.

I've been married for twenty years, if some homosexuals get married just how does this effect my marriage? The marriage institution is being destroyed by the heterosexuals and their actions. All of the social ills that people complain about are caused by the heterosexual lemmings who run all over the place creating broods of other little heterosexual lemmings who will follow their paths. You cannot even go to a public event anymore without some dumb drunken broad flipping her body parts out for the other liquored up lemmings to ogle at.

For all the problems in this society to blame the decline of things on the homosexuals at this level rivals the rantings of the National Socialists of the 1930's. It matter not that people group together and make illegal laws, they will eventually have to be measured by the constitution.

 

Maybe I'm "ignorant", but I followed this post and went back through to reread it in case I missed something and I didn't find any real homophobic opinions. There was one guy who spoke about how back in his father's day they would burn down the houses of gays and such, but that's about it. Most others here have explained their stance and the reasons behind their opinions. And that is exactly what they are, opinions.

What I find "ignorant" is that just because someone doesn't condone gay marriage and the gay lifestyle they are labeled a "homophobe". I, personally have no "phobia" of them, I'm not scared of them at all. I honestly don't care what they do. I don't condone sex with animals either, but does that mean I have a phobia of someone who does? Of course not!

I am all for the constitution and the law of the land and I don't recall anyone here suggesting that we burn it. I do know that there have been several laws on the books and amendments to the constitution since it was written and I "believe" that most of them have made this country a better place to live. I can think of no better way for these such things to be established in a democracy other than by popular vote. Again, this is just my "opinion".

In the original post, Mack stated his stance and asked everyone if they agree. Every one else stated their opinion and some asked others to clarify their stance, so far that's pretty much all I've seen here, not much "ignorance" to be found.

 

I am doing a survey here at school asking how people feel about gay mariage. I will post the results tonight when I get home. Thought it may add some input on the subject. No hard feelings guys!

 

This is ignorance of the Constitution. pure and simple. The Constitution has been amended to CLARIFY the statements in the basic document as a guard to protect minority rights. The amendments are there to insist that all adult citizens have the rights that every other adult citizen has. To bar homosexuals from marriage in none of ANYONE'S business, especially the government's.

 

This is where our opinions differ and that's fine. I don't expect to sway your opinion at all and I'm 100% certain you will not sway mine. That's the whole beauty of this country, we're entitled to our own opinions.

To say that all of the amendments were a "clarification" is not accurate at all. I don't pretend to be able to read between the lines and clarify what our founding fathers were implying. I do know that the 13th Amendment was not a clarification at all. It was an entirely new law that said that you could not own slaves. Nowhere was this even broached upon in the original document. I'm not going to say that it was entirely condoned by our founding fathers, but it was widely accepted in their time and many of them did own slaves. I personally feel it was a great amendment.

The 10th amendment basically gives all powers not delegated by the Constitution to the States or to the people. That's essentially what happened in Ohio and 10 other states, the people chose to enact such a law by the means of majority vote. Of course, I am one to believe that "government" is myself and anyone who has the chance to vote. If my rights are infringed upon by a majority vote, I deal with it and move on.

 

I have no "phobias" about homosexuals. I know gay men and women and am friendly to them. I do not criticize them, because honestly, unless they want to change, all I will do is irritate them against what the Bible says. I do not think that anyone is going to cast any kind of "voo doo" spell on me and change what I believe in my mind and heart.

What I have a problem with is, just like I stated on the religion thread, is why I have to change what I believe in because it offends someone else. They offend me, but I have to change to make them happy. Why? You want to be gay? Fine, but leave me and my family out of it. Quit pushing your immoral values on me and my children, yes my children. My 15 yo son has been "hit on" in 2 different schools in the past year. There is a Gay/Lesbian Club in his school and it is advertised and meetings are put in the announcements. My son and his friends want to have a Bible club, but that is not allowed. Tell me why?

Homosexuality is morally wrong. Why? Because the Bible says it is. You don't believe in the Bible? Tough - that's what It says and unfortunately too many people are going to find out the hard way that they are wrong. It's a very sad thing. Time is running out, whether you believe it or not.

I'm not going to argue my beliefs with you, because like the homosexuals, unless your ears and hearts are open to receive what I have to say, it is only going to come across as hatred, which when in it is done in love.

All I can do is pray.

 

...well said gypsiebrie...

 

This is where our opinions differ and that's fine. I don't expect to sway your opinion at all and I'm 100% certain you will not sway mine. That's the whole beauty of this country, we're entitled to our own opinions.

That's what the beauty is for those in the majority, opinions are just that. rights are not given by the government and the constitution is what guarantees this. I'm fine with people and their opinions. however when they use their opinion to enact laws that take rights away from others, this is when the problems start.

To say that all of the amendments were a "clarification" is not accurate at all. I don't pretend to be able to read between the lines and clarify what our founding fathers were implying. I do know that the 13th Amendment was not a clarification at all. It was an entirely new law that said that you could not own slaves. Nowhere was this even broached upon in the original document. I'm not going to say that it was entirely condoned by our founding fathers, but it was widely accepted in their time and many of them did own slaves. I personally feel it was a great amendment.

This was a clarification on the ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL flavor of the founding documents. ALL men/ mankind means that everyone is equal under the law, not just the majority, Clarifying the constitution is what the amendments do.

The 10th amendment basically gives all powers not delegated by the Constitution to the States or to the people. That's essentially what happened in Ohio and 10 other states, the people chose to enact such a law by the means of majority vote. Of course, I am one to believe that "government" is myself and anyone who has the chance to vote. If my rights are infringed upon by a majority vote, I deal with it and move on

This is why the United States was set up specifically NOT to be a pure democracy. Pure Democracies are doomed from the start. Democracy is nothing but mob rule. The elected representatives are there (or supposed to be anyway) there to represent all of their constituents. As for the minorities "just dealing with it".. do you feel that the 13th amendment was wrong? obviously they were the monority at the time and deserved none of your approval or protections of the constitution?