Long term ideling
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It depends, I don't know much about those 11.1 L detroits but I do know the 12.7L detroits like to idle around 1000 rpms.
Some engines are ok with a lower idle, like volvos. They're designed better so that they don't need a super high idle. Saves on fuel too.
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Could be just the smaller engines can handle the "slober" thats what our mechs. call it. We have a M 11 engine in a truck... it's the yard truck :lol:
It's got a bunk, low miles, nice paint, chrome package... 03 ? Yep the yard truck... No offence ment, but we need power...
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quote="silvan"]
Originally Posted by heavyhaulerss
1200 ???? man all i see is dollar signs going out the stack. lol.
1000 is lots the slober is NOT caused by idling under 1200, it's caused by running for long periods at low idle speed, more specifically; operating with a cold combustion chamber which causes incomplete combustion of fuel
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Originally Posted by heavyhaulerss
well them i guess i'm just lucky then.. when i first bought my truck. i knew nothing about idleing. just that it said on engine not to idle lower than 600.. so i would idle at 6-1/2 700 tops. i have hit 1 mil miles about 4 months ago. never anything done to engine. nothing. still original injectors, e.t.c. still runs very good. 11.1 detroit. should i idle at 1000-1200 or keep it where i kept it for over 7 years now ?
What temp does your engine run at while idling? new(er) engines (first 100,000) are most susceptible to ring seating and cylinder glazing problems. destroyit diesel used to be the ones i saw the most issues with OTN ; some guys will NEVER experience this problem... well, at least for now
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What I was getting at is two separate things on the Volvo:
1) The oil system is designed better, holds better pressure at lower rpms, and doesn't drop when the oil thins out(gets hot). For example, mine holds a steady 60 psi anywhere above 1000 rpms. Below that, even hot idle, doesn't drop below ~35ish. 2) The exhaust valve. It closes, creating a restriction in the exhaust, so that the engine has to work a little harder. This harder work creates a more complete burn.
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Originally Posted by allan5oh
What I was getting at is two separate things on the Volvo:
1) The oil system is designed better, holds better pressure at lower rpms, and doesn't drop when the oil thins out(gets hot). For example, mine holds a steady 60 psi anywhere above 1000 rpms. Below that, even hot idle, doesn't drop below ~35ish. 2) The exhaust valve. It closes, creating a restriction in the exhaust, so that the engine has to work a little harder. This harder work creates a more complete burn. i forgot that you have a volvo engine... that exhaust brake WILL load the engine and improve cold weather idling temps. does it open/close automatically?
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It runs any time the engine is below 170 degrees. It doesn't care how cold it is out. It requires air to run. I guess it doesn't help with normal, at temperature idling. Cold weather performance on the volvos is far superior to any other engine I've ran.
They exhaust brake is also a problem on Volvos. The valve that controls the exhaust brake is $700, and the exhaust brake itself is $2000. I think both of mine need to be changed, they leak air. I might just to a rebuild. Another thing, you cannot disable them. Well you can, but then you have to live with a code and no, I mean absolutely ZERO jake brake. I guess they did the jakes a little different from most manufacturers. I have a completely open exhaust system, no baffles. I do have a muffler, but I'd hardly consider it that. Even with that setup, the jake is much quieter then other trucks with full-baffled mufflers.
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Originally Posted by allan5oh
It runs any time the engine is below 170 degrees. It doesn't care how cold it is out. It requires air to run. I guess it doesn't help with normal, at temperature idling. Cold weather performance on the volvos is far superior to any other engine I've ran.
They exhaust brake is also a problem on Volvos. The valve that controls the exhaust brake is $700, and the exhaust brake itself is $2000. I think both of mine need to be changed, they leak air. I might just to a rebuild. Another thing, you cannot disable them. Well you can, but then you have to live with a code and no, I mean absolutely ZERO jake brake. I guess they did the jakes a little different from most manufacturers. I have a completely open exhaust system, no baffles. I do have a muffler, but I'd hardly consider it that. Even with that setup, the jake is much quieter then other trucks with full-baffled mufflers.
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