Timing????
#31
11-28-2006, 04:33 PM
[quote="bob h"]
Originally Posted by KAIMIKAZEE
Be aware that the CAT guy WILL most likely take a download from the ECM.
If you took care of her (I'm convinced Diesel's are female because they're crabby and bitch when they're cold lol)  then I wouldn't be to worried.
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#32
11-28-2006, 04:43 PM
So its NOT a blown piston. Rings.. maybe.
But back to the smoke. White smoke is water burning. Possibly headgasket crack allowing water into the chamber.[/quote] well the smoke is not constantly coming out last time i remembered... it is visually noticed when i would accelerate and then let off the petal.... i would be driving and then once in a while maybe like 2-4 minutes apart, massive smoke would start coming out...kind of like pouring water over charcoal, but not constantly.... i did have a complaint about an oil leak, which always did from day one after the over haul...it wasn't a lot but enough to bother me... the leak was at the front (driver side) corner of the motor where the timing gears are attached to the motor, right where the head would come onto the block...it seemed like they didn't torque the head right or something... could that be the cause of the failure???? all i need to know is if this kind of catastrophic could be done by a driver??? the way the shop is putting it, it could be done by the driver.... is it possible???? i need to know so i can defend this situation...
#33
11-28-2006, 04:47 PM
If you took care of her (I'm convinced Diesel's are female because they're crabby and bitch when they're cold lol)
then I wouldn't be to worried.[/quote]you mean by oil change and adding coolant?? sure i have...have all the recipts for oil changes..
#34
11-28-2006, 05:27 PM
I disagree about white smoke is always water. Could you smell fuel or sweetness(coolant) when it happened? Unburnt fuel can cause white smoke...even though it may not apply to your condition, ever hear of wet stacking? If an injector is proven to be the cause, the repair might be your dime...were they replaced or serviced at the time of the inframe? Compression is also a concern. IIRC, 400#'s is minimum and if it's only 300-350, it'll still run but unburnt fuel will be present. I'll bet no one bothered to check compression before they tore it down?
Get the receipts ready and be prepared to argue your case. If CAT is sending someone, he should be capable of showing you what caused the failure IMO. Let them prove it's driver related and not you proving it's not....my .025 :wink:
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#35
11-28-2006, 06:25 PM
Originally Posted by BA
I disagree about white smoke is always water. Could you smell fuel or sweetness(coolant) when it happened? Unburnt fuel can cause white smoke...even though it may not apply to your condition, ever hear of wet stacking? If an injector is proven to be the cause, the repair might be your dime...were they replaced or serviced at the time of the inframe? Compression is also a concern. IIRC, 400#'s is minimum and if it's only 300-350, it'll still run but unburnt fuel will be present. I'll bet no one bothered to check compression before they tore it down?
Get the receipts ready and be prepared to argue your case. If CAT is sending someone, he should be capable of showing you what caused the failure IMO. Let them prove it's driver related and not you proving it's not....my .025 :wink: well if u ask me... all this crap smells the same...even after the overhaul my oil on my dipstick looked kind of green...but the mechanic said that was normal... yeah no one checked the compression...the only thing about injectors on my invoice receipt is orings being changed...so i don't think the injectors was changed...today they said that the injectors was fine, they just checked it... receipts, what receipts are you referring to...oil change. or overhaul invoice?????
#36
11-28-2006, 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by KAIMIKAZEE
Originally Posted by BA
I disagree about white smoke is always water. Could you smell fuel or sweetness(coolant) when it happened? Unburnt fuel can cause white smoke...even though it may not apply to your condition, ever hear of wet stacking? If an injector is proven to be the cause, the repair might be your dime...were they replaced or serviced at the time of the inframe? Compression is also a concern. IIRC, 400#'s is minimum and if it's only 300-350, it'll still run but unburnt fuel will be present. I'll bet no one bothered to check compression before they tore it down?
Get the receipts ready and be prepared to argue your case. If CAT is sending someone, he should be capable of showing you what caused the failure IMO. Let them prove it's driver related and not you proving it's not....my .025 :wink: Honestly it sounds like you're gettin a lil to worked up (and understandably so). Let the CAT guy come look at it. The ECM can tell him everything about that diesel engine. Diesel's are very stubborn creatures and you would've had to done something drastic (IMO) to break one. They're built to take abuse and wear so its starting to sound like something inside let go. well if u ask me... all this crap smells the same...even after the overhaul my oil on my dipstick looked kind of green...but the mechanic said that was normal... yeah no one checked the compression...the only thing about injectors on my invoice receipt is orings being changed...so i don't think the injectors was changed...today they said that the injectors was fine, they just checked it... receipts, what receipts are you referring to...oil change. or overhaul invoice?????
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#37
11-28-2006, 07:53 PM
Honestly it sounds like you're gettin a lil to worked up (and understandably so). Let the CAT guy come look at it. The ECM can tell him everything about that diesel engine. Diesel's are very stubborn creatures and you would've had to done something drastic (IMO) to break one. They're built to take abuse and wear so its starting to sound like something inside let go.
yes you are right i'm pretty worked up about this situation... me being the only and main source of income...wouldn't you be if you were in my shoes???? you're right about the injector part...obviously they must've inspected the injectors and found no problems, that's why they only had the orings changed...let's just hope that it's not the injectors... thanks for the comments though makes me feel a little much better...
#38
11-28-2006, 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by KAIMIKAZEE
If you took care of her (I'm convinced Diesel's are female because they're crabby and bitch when they're cold lol)
then I wouldn't be to worried.you mean by oil change and adding coolant?? sure i have...have all the recipts for oil changes..[/quote] Why are you adding coolant?
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#39
11-28-2006, 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Krzysztof
Originally Posted by KAIMIKAZEE
Originally Posted by BA
I disagree about white smoke is always water. Could you smell fuel or sweetness(coolant) when it happened? Unburnt fuel can cause white smoke...even though it may not apply to your condition, ever hear of wet stacking? If an injector is proven to be the cause, the repair might be your dime...were they replaced or serviced at the time of the inframe? Compression is also a concern. IIRC, 400#'s is minimum and if it's only 300-350, it'll still run but unburnt fuel will be present. I'll bet no one bothered to check compression before they tore it down?
Get the receipts ready and be prepared to argue your case. If CAT is sending someone, he should be capable of showing you what caused the failure IMO. Let them prove it's driver related and not you proving it's not....my .025 :wink: Honestly it sounds like you're gettin a lil to worked up (and understandably so). Let the CAT guy come look at it. The ECM can tell him everything about that diesel engine. Diesel's are very stubborn creatures and you would've had to done something drastic (IMO) to break one. They're built to take abuse and wear so its starting to sound like something inside let go. well if u ask me... all this crap smells the same...even after the overhaul my oil on my dipstick looked kind of green...but the mechanic said that was normal... yeah no one checked the compression...the only thing about injectors on my invoice receipt is orings being changed...so i don't think the injectors was changed...today they said that the injectors was fine, they just checked it... receipts, what receipts are you referring to...oil change. or overhaul invoice????? 10,000 miles of "drive it like you hate it" works well to seat in the rings. Fuel injectors are usually not replaced during overhaul... unless requested. DDC's "super kit" includes a 6-pack of fuel injectors. In my opinion, a new injector is as likely to fail as an "in service" injector, so I don't see any point, unless the injectors are all originals w/1,000,000 miles of service. Injector o-rings are (should) always be replaced when the injector is re-used... and are certainly NOT contributing to a scored cylinder. NOTHING short of physical damage (broken tip, spring, etc) can be seen on a removed injector. EUI injectors are tested using a cylinder contribution test that isolates cylinders and determines which injectors are contributing and which are not. What's the point of discussing compression testing?... the cylinder head is already off --- #3 has (had) low compression...
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#40
11-28-2006, 10:29 PM
bob h
well the mechanics told me that after the head came off, the injectors seemed okay... they told me that the reason that they wanted Cat to come over was to make sure this situation doesn't happen again... they never had a engine failure in such a short time after overhaul... the reason why i'm adding coolant (.5 gallon every 30k miles) is because i have a leaky coolant valve for my heater. which i never had time to replaced...nothing major... "Why would they have Cat over??? is it because they don't want to be liable for the repairs, or is it just to prove it to me that it's not their fault?? anyways Cat is charging like $80/hr. to come over, and i told them that i'm not paying for it. they told me i don't have to "if" it's not my fault...how could it be my fault???? |
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