Timing????
#41
11-28-2006, 10:41 PM
Originally Posted by Krzysztof
Originally Posted by KAIMIKAZEE
well the mechanic got back to me...
he pulled the manifold off and one of the cylinder thinging is full of oil #3 if i remember correctly... looks like a blown piston if u ask me...but luckily it's still under warranty... the guy says cat will pay for what ever the damage is, but what about the labor??he's trying to talk me into paying the labor....or from $55 to $20 some an hour...he'll work with me... what do you guys think???? :roll: it's still in full waranty and i told him that it wasn't like i neglected the motor...if he tries to make me pay for some portion of the labor what would you say if you was in my situation???? Smoke: White = Water Black = Fuel Blue = Oil It doesn't matter what type of engine.. thats laws of science crap. If you're blowing white smoke out of the breather and/or stacks its water burning in the combustion chamber (cylinder)
he pulled the manifold off and one of the cylinder thinging is full of oil #3 if i remember correctly...
looks like a blown piston if u ask me If it was a blown piston believe me you'd know. You'd hear a loud clanking from the moment you start the engine till the rod came thru the block and took out your highpressure oil pump, fuel pump, filters, etc... Trust me... I had a Coca-cola driver that drove his truck into I-10 with that same problem... he turned it off and the last 2-3 gallons of oil came pouring out onto the ground. So its NOT a blown piston. Rings.. maybe. But back to the smoke. White smoke is water burning. Possibly headgasket crack allowing water into the chamber. White smoke IS NOT necessarily caused by coolant/water. A "blown piston" does not always destroy the cylinder block... it can be as mild as a hole through the crown puffing compression into the crankcase. Most of the pistons that I've ever replaced were still primarily intact.
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#42
11-28-2006, 10:57 PM
Originally Posted by KAIMIKAZEE
bob h
well the mechanics told me that after the head came off, the injectors seemed okay... they told me that the reason that they wanted Cat to come over was to make sure this situation doesn't happen again... they never had a engine failure in such a short time after overhaul... the reason why i'm adding coolant (.5 gallon every 30k miles) is because i have a leaky coolant valve for my heater. which i never had time to replaced...nothing major... "Why would they have Cat over??? is it because they don't want to be liable for the repairs, or is it just to prove it to me that it's not their fault?? anyways Cat is charging like $80/hr. to come over, and i told them that i'm not paying for it. they told me i don't have to "if" it's not my fault...how could it be my fault???? I've seen major engine components fail during the road test just following an in-frame... CAT is no exception --- quality control. The likely reason that CAT sent a guy over would be to ensure that this was a warrantable failure. I don't believe you're at much risk here. As long as basic maintenance was followed (oil, filters, etc). But, their main concern was probably fuel injectors, oil pressure, and engine temp data.
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#43
11-28-2006, 11:31 PM
The likely reason that CAT sent a guy over would be to ensure that this was a warrantable failure. I don't believe you're at much risk here. As long as basic maintenance was followed (oil, filters, etc). But, their main concern was probably fuel injectors, oil pressure, and engine temp data.[/quote]
so in other words, the shop is pretty confident that they're not at fault... and that it's Cat's fault??
#44
11-28-2006, 11:37 PM
Originally Posted by KAIMIKAZEE
The likely reason that CAT sent a guy over would be to ensure that this was a warrantable failure. I don't believe you're at much risk here. As long as basic maintenance was followed (oil, filters, etc). But, their main concern was probably fuel injectors, oil pressure, and engine temp data.
so in other words, the shop is pretty confident that they're not at fault... and that it's Cat's fault??[/quote] 70,000? I think that CAT's at fault... at least, from the outside looking in ;0)
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#45
11-29-2006, 12:02 AM
70,000? I think that CAT's at fault... at least, from the outside looking in ;0)[/quote]
cool well maybe now i can rest assure until Thursday 11-29 that's when i'll find out who get's the bill...
#46
11-29-2006, 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by KAIMIKAZEE
receipts, what receipts are you referring to...oil change. or overhaul invoice?????
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#47
11-29-2006, 11:36 AM
Originally Posted by bob h
10,000 miles of "drive it like you hate it" works well to seat in the rings. What's the point of discussing compression testing?... the cylinder head is already off --- #3 has (had) low compression... Yes the head is off now so a compression test is worthless, but prior to teardown it should have been done. The purpose of me mentioning it would have helped isolate the cause of the smoke if there was any question as to what it was.
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#48
11-30-2006, 04:40 PM
well well well....
the cat guy scanned the ecu and everything seemed fine... he's 90% sure that it's the injector, "BUT", "BUT" he also found out something tooo... the mechanics misplaced the injectors, he's saying that you can't just stick the injectors into what ever hole, you have to program the serial # on the injector onto the ECU... i asked him if this had contributed to the injector failure, and he said that it could...but 15 minutes later after the shop manager talked to him he said that misplacing the injectors couldn't have been the cause for the failure.... what do you guys think... do i have a case... you should've seen the look on the shop managers face when the cat guy told them about the screw up.(misplacing the injectors)
#49
12-01-2006, 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by KAIMIKAZEE
well well well....
the cat guy scanned the ecu and everything seemed fine... he's 90% sure that it's the injector, "BUT", "BUT" he also found out something tooo... the mechanics misplaced the injectors, he's saying that you can't just stick the injectors into what ever hole, you have to program the serial # on the injector onto the ECU... i asked him if this had contributed to the injector failure, and he said that it could...but 15 minutes later after the shop manager talked to him he said that misplacing the injectors couldn't have been the cause for the failure.... what do you guys think... do i have a case... you should've seen the look on the shop managers face when the cat guy told them about the screw up.(misplacing the injectors) Any good technician knows that fuel injectors must stay in order for re-installation. I assume the injector had failed? And he was not blaming the e-trim codes for scoring the cylinder... right? Also, codes do not cause injector failure... you don't have much of a tech if he has told you that...
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#50
12-01-2006, 11:33 AM
Yes Bob, he mentioned somewhere that cyl #2 was also scored. He also said the shop tested the injectors and said they were fine? hmm...
KAIMIKAZEE...did you actually see the scored cyl's? If so, what did the rep say? Will they cover P&L for the repair? IMO (as a 4 wheeler wrench), if the injector is proven to be the cause of the failure, it doesn't look good if they weren't replaced during the inframe...sorry to be the one to say this. Maybe they'll at least cover the parts? Don't hesitate to ask...
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